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NJ man gets 7 years for gun "crime"

Henry0ReillyHenry0Reilly Member Posts: 10,677 ✭✭✭
edited December 2010 in General Discussion
and the same judge dismissed clearly proven * charges against a man last year.

read the story here
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  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    I wonder how that mother feels about her 911 call ?
  • spurgemasturspurgemastur Member Posts: 5,655
    edited November -1
  • SWAT 50SWAT 50 Member Posts: 4,209
    edited November -1
    Why isnt the NRA and the aclu all over this to get him free.
  • US Military GuyUS Military Guy Member Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, there is mom - and there is that judge, but it was a trial by jury. Just sayin'.
  • Sparty83Sparty83 Member Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
    Yes, there is mom - and there is that judge, but it was a trial by jury. Just sayin'.


    And the jury asked several times for documentation about a critical part of the case that the Judge disallowed - just sayin'. This is a BS case and should have never made it to trial. [V]
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
    Yes, there is mom - and there is that judge, but it was a trial by jury. Just sayin'.


    So trampling a man's rights is okay as long it's done by a group?
    Okay, gotcha.[xx(]
  • Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spin_Drift
    quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
    Yes, there is mom - and there is that judge, but it was a trial by jury. Just sayin'.


    And the jury asked several times for documentation about a critical part of the case that the Judge disallowed - just sayin'. This is a BS case and should have never made it to trial. [V]
    Spin,

    Two words covers that perfectly- *Jury Nullification.

    The jury had the power the entire time to tell that judge to take his personal prejudices and shot 'em up his *. Instead, they chose to wrongfully send a fellow citizen to prison. They are as complicit in this as the dumb-* judge.

    *Jury nullification occurs when a jury in a criminal case acquits a defendant despite the weight of evidence against him or her.

    NS
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
    quote:Originally posted by Spin_Drift
    quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
    Yes, there is mom - and there is that judge, but it was a trial by jury. Just sayin'.


    And the jury asked several times for documentation about a critical part of the case that the Judge disallowed - just sayin'. This is a BS case and should have never made it to trial. [V]
    Spin,

    Two words covers that perfectly- *Jury Nullification.

    The jury had the power the entire time to tell that judge to take his personal prejudices and shot 'em up his *. Instead, they chose to wrongfully send a fellow citizen to prison. They are as complicit in this as the dumb-* judge.

    *Jury nullification occurs when a jury in a criminal case acquits a defendant despite the weight of evidence against him or her.

    NS
    Agreed.

    Two problems in nullification by juries though...

    First, the selection process practically requires one to consider ONLY the evidence and ONLY the instructions as directed by the judge. This effectively takes most out of the mindset of nullification.

    Second, after the trial, the judges instruct and admonish the 'brainiac's' of the jury that HE/SHE will instruct them on what that are ONLY allowed to consider and on the points of 'the law' that they may use.

    People are rarely willing to step outside the specifically created box they have been placed in by the judge and his specific instructions.

    After-all, a 'judge' told them what they HAVE to do, right?
  • gearheaddadgearheaddad Member Posts: 15,125 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not trying to hijack your thread.........But:
    In Chicago a 19 year old POS on parole with an ankle bracelet, who was released after only 3 years (sentenced for 6)for armed robbery (with a shotgun) was just arrested for murdering a cop and another guy while they were investigating a robbery that the 19 year old committed at his NEIGHBORS garage. The 19 year old shot both guys twice in the head with a 9mm.
    So, 7 years for a 27 year old man owning 2 guns unloaded and locked in the trunk. Purchased legally and not committing any other crime other than "illegal possession of a couple guns, ammo, mags in some stupid state and a punk kid that robbed a liquor store with a shotgun at age 16 gets only 6 years and is released in 3 years because "no one was seriously hurt in the robbery".
    Yeah, gun laws are sure working.
    I thought it was illegal for a 16 year old to have a shotgun? A 19 year old Felon to have a handgun in Chicago.
    Maybe it didn't really happen.....
  • US Military GuyUS Military Guy Member Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
    Yes, there is mom - and there is that judge, but it was a trial by jury. Just sayin'.


    So trampling a man's rights is okay as long it's done by a group?
    Okay, gotcha.[xx(]


    Absolutly not. My point is / was that there was an opportunity for the conviction NOT to happen - by a much larger group than the single one making the phone call - or the single judge. If our system will not work, when the decision is placed in the hands of a larger group, we are in a world of hurt. Others have talked about jury nullification. What about just plain old "NOT GUILTY"?
  • RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    This is the Americam justice system at work. Incompetent cops, prosecutors and judges. If what happened to this poor soul ever happened to me, ther would be revenge.
  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022
    edited November -1
    I assume the decision is being appealed?
  • Henry0ReillyHenry0Reilly Member Posts: 10,677 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by River Rat
    I assume the decision is being appealed?


    Yes, and the judge is being removed from the bench.
    I used to recruit for the NRA until they sold us down the river (again!) in Heller v. DC. See my auctions (if any) under username henryreilly
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's a real shame to see a man totally screwed by our legal system. No mention that he was suspected of doing anything wrong, simply doing something illegal in New Jersey. This reinforces my decision to stay the hell out of New Jersey.

    No jury in the state of New Jersey has the balls to use jury nullification. New Jersey juries do what the judge tells them to do, or in the case of Grand Juries, they do what the prosecutor tells them to do.

    I've seen New Jersey Grand Juries return true bills of indictment for things which weren't illegal. Juries and Grand Juries in New Jersey are among the worst in the nation. They aren't anything to brag about anywhere, but this is one area where New Jersey tops the list.

    If he had murdered another human being a large part of his trial would be determining his intent. Since his crime was having an inanimate object in the trunk of his car, intent doesn't come into it. Beautiful.

    If I'm on a jury and ask the judge what the law is, and the judge tells me he doesn't want me to know, that's all I need to give the defendant the benefit of the doubt. I just don't understand everybody's fear of the judge. What the hell good is the jury system if juries are afraid to use it?
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Liberals ... I bet four Supreme Court Justices would agree with this idiot judge.
  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 11,557 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't give the cops the OK to look inside your vehicle w/o a warrant.
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