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Castro

HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
edited July 2006 in General Discussion
Handed over power to brother Raul...suffered massive internal bleeding.
First time he handed over power since 1959, when he assumed control of Cuba.
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    p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    Adios mutterfocker
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    nomadictaonomadictao Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pts pretty incredible how long he has been in power. He took over the same year I was born, and I am no longer a spring chicken. Normal trade with Cuba would be a great opportunity for us capitalists without deep pockets. Its about time!
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    zipperzapzipperzap Member Posts: 25,057
    edited November -1
    I'd like to sun on some of those legendary Cuban beaches -
    it's a favorite of those fun loving Canadians! Cuba is MUCH
    cheaper to vacation in![:D]
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    Slow_HandSlow_Hand Member Posts: 2,835
    edited November -1
    Shall we light candles and hold an all-night prayer vigil for him? Best wishes for a speedy recovery?

    Fidel's been dancing to the music for almost 50 years. Guess what????
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    mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    The King is dead, long live the King.
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    11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
    I'd like to sun on some of those legendary Cuban beaches -
    it's a favorite of those fun loving Canadians! Cuba is MUCH
    cheaper to vacation in![:D]


    I had one of those "legendary Cubans" and it kicked my *! I was so freeking dizzy after smoking that thing, that I didn't feel very safe behind the wheel of my humvee. Just thinking about how nautious I was is giving me a headache.
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    plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
    edited November -1
    In time all bad things and people must past.

    Teddy Roosevelt is grinning like a cat tonight.

    So long Castro, hello sweet opportunity America.
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/31/D8J7CLM80.html

    Be careful of what you ask for...you might get it, after all....

    Just what we need..another jolly little war, 90 miles off our coast.
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    wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,068
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Handed over power to brother Raul...suffered massive internal bleeding.
    First time he handed over power since 1959, when he assumed control of Cuba.
    Without Fidel it's Communist Cuba 3 more years tops.
    His strength of personality are all thet keeps it that way.
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    sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
    I'd like to sun on some of those legendary Cuban beaches -
    it's a favorite of those fun loving Canadians! Cuba is MUCH
    cheaper to vacation in![:D]


    I had one of those "legendary Cubans" and it kicked my *! I was so freeking dizzy after smoking that thing, that I didn't feel very safe behind the wheel of my humvee. Just thinking about how nautious I was is giving me a headache.


    I hear you about those wonderfull cuban cigars. I bought a few and the first one made me so sick I tossed my cookies and was dizzy for two days. I gave the rest to a relative who has smoked cigars for years. He loved them.[:0]
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    Slow_HandSlow_Hand Member Posts: 2,835
    edited November -1
    I gave up smoking completely 14+ years ago but whenever I traveled to Canada before then, I would indulge in smoking nothing but an array of fine Cuban cigars. Nothing like them. Absolutely superb! And, I would inhale those because they were so smooth and flavorful. Fortunately back then, you could bring one or two back to the States with you without any hassle or paperwork as long as they were in your shirt pocket or the inside breast pocket of your jacket, i.e. on your person.

    When the day finally arrives that the U.S. and Cuba trade with one another once again and fine Cuban cigars become available here, Cuba's economy will skyrocket a hundred-fold from where it currently is.

    Pity many of the Central American countries whose now-favored fine cigar exports to the U.S. will quickly take a distance back seat to the Cubans.

    Arrrgh! More foreign aid!!!!![;)]
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    sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    I missed out completely, what happened to Castro??[:0]
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    11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The worst part, Sig, is that I smoke cigars quite frequently, and they STILL made me nautious.
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    WarMongerWarMonger Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Its funny how so many liberals in America LOVE castro and Cuba and their government. I was just curious how those same Americans would feel if Bush announced tommorow that instead of an election in 2008 he was just going to hand over the presidency to Jeb Bush for 20 years
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    dlrjjdlrjj Member Posts: 5,528 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here you go Sig, he had some surgery for some bleeding.

    "In the note read by secretary Carlos Valenciaga, Castro said he underwent surgery after suffering gastrointestinal bleeding, apparently due to stress from recent public appearances in Argentina and eastern Cuba."

    Here's a link.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060801/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_castro
    Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
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    KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by WarMonger
    Its funny how so many liberals in America LOVE castro and Cuba and their government. I was just curious how those same Americans would feel if Bush announced tommorow that instead of an election in 2008 he was just going to hand over the presidency to Jeb Bush for 20 years


    Castro WAS a lot better for Cuba than that gentleman Batista. You see, as a "democracy" (really a democratic republic) we Americans are reluctant to recognize dictatorships as legitimate governemnts. The Cubans, on the other hand, were for the most part willing to accept a better dictator than the * they had before.
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    sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
    Here you go Sig, he had some surgery for some bleeding.

    "In the note read by secretary Carlos Valenciaga, Castro said he underwent surgery after suffering gastrointestinal bleeding, apparently due to stress from recent public appearances in Argentina and eastern Cuba."

    Here's a link.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060801/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_castro


    Thanks for the link. I was not aware of his illness. I wonder what will happen after Raul passes on. I hope Cuba can enjoy freedom soon.[:)]
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    beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bleeding from intestines probably means he has metastatic cancer.

    Knowing the typical Commie propaganda, he may already be dead or nearly so.
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    dlrjjdlrjj Member Posts: 5,528 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    They've certainly waited long enough for it, haven't they Sig?

    I remember seeing his picture on the cover of Look or Life during the revolution back when I was a kid. He was sitting in an American jeep, I believe with his brother and Che Guevara.
    Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
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    sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    I would love to see the free Cuban people in Miami have the ability to go back to visit their homeland. A lot of them have died attempting to turn that nasty dictator out.[:(]
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    dlrjjdlrjj Member Posts: 5,528 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah, I think there's something like 600,000 of them and their families in and around Miami. That a lot of people who might want to visit "home".
    Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
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    buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    one guy interviewed thinks he's really dead but they're just not saying so yet to keep public order for a little bit. -which is nothing our own government wouldn't do to us.

    you'll get trade and all the cuban cigars you want when, and only when, they have become our little *. it's all about the power game. just like venezuela but much more important to our image.

    his faults aside, that dude was 20x more of a man than any of us here could ever be. you could learn much from his past life but you get nothing from mindlessly celebrating his (possible) death.
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    11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not old enough to know, but some of you are. (No offence intended.)

    What happened that sparked the whole anti-Cuba thing in the US? I know about the Cuban Missile Crisis during JFK's administration, but obviously there was something going on prior to that.

    Any takers?
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    buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    the whole anti-Cuba thing is because they're a communist state and right next door. it has been a thorn in the side of the US for years because the dictatorship hasn't been "toppled". much like Taiwan's independence is a thorn in the side of China.

    Cuban Missile Crisis? check wikipedia.org.

    The C-M-C was not the beginning of bad relations with cuba.
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Castro was a revolutionary who took over Cuba during the peak of the cold war. A year or two after he had won the war, it became apparent that he was allied with Russia. This was a nightmare to the US government, to have a communist state ninety miles from our shores. Then, when Castro allowed Russian nuclear missles to be installed, the fit really hit the shan.
    The Kennedys detested him so much, they tried for years to assassinate him. It was called Operation Mongoose.
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Castro kicked a rotton, corrupt dictator out..as mentioned, Cuba was America's beetch. Anything you wanted in Cuba, rich American's could buy...nothing was forbidden and easily obtainable.

    Corruption was the order of the day. Castro took over..and we had the chance to work with him. He absolutely was not going to allow the old order to happen, however....and the big money in this country made him an enemy.

    One thing I like about Caxtro..all Aid's 'victims' are put inside barbed wire. They have plenty to do and eat and play with...but don't run in the general population.
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    TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Think of all the nice old cars that Barret Jackson will get to sale at their auctions...;)

    Trinity +++
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    p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    one guy interviewed thinks he's really dead but they're just not saying so yet to keep public order for a little bit. -which is nothing our own government wouldn't do to us.

    you'll get trade and all the cuban cigars you want when, and only when, they have become our little *. it's all about the power game. just like venezuela but much more important to our image.

    his faults aside, that dude was 20x more of a man than any of us here could ever be. you could learn much from his past life but you get nothing from mindlessly celebrating his (possible) death.


    Their faults aside, Stalin and Hitler would probably be NASCAR fans too, but let's not put their faults aside.
    Castro did not allow complaints. He killed fellow revolutionaries rather than share power, freedom of speech or opinions didn't exist under him.
    If he created a "paradise", how many drowned trying to get there rather than flee?

    Send flowers if you want, I won't.
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    chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah I'm old! I remember watching Castro being interviewed, if I remember correctly, on channel 8 by by Harold Keene. I would really like to see that interview again and would REALLY like millions of other people see that interview compared/contrasted with history.
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    spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by plains scout
    In time all bad things and people must past.

    Teddy Roosevelt is grinning like a cat tonight.

    So long Castro, hello sweet opportunity America.




    Dude, be caureful what you wish for, really. Saying that Raul is better than Fidel is sort of like saying Usai was better than Saddam.

    Raul is more of a nutjob than Fidel is, far more radical.
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    CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Raul probably won't change things much. He is still a Castro. I imagine the Cuban Florida lobby won't accept him anymore than Fidel.

    Having said that, it would be interesting what would happen with their economy if America made a complete reversal of policy. Suppose Amercia said "Go ahead and call yourself a Communist state. We are going to flood your economy. We will vacaction in Cuba. We will buy whatever we can from the Cuban people. Raul, just try to keep control of your economy. Just try to surpress the people standard of living. You think communisimis good? The people are going to like capitalism so much better."

    I think America could flood that economy like nothing seen before if we could look past the fact Cuba is a dicatorship.
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    sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    It will be interesting to see if Raul has the smarts to hold it all together. I am sure there are lots of thugs in the government that are ready and willing to take the helm.[:0]
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    webleywebley Member Posts: 154 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Castro made a fool of the US for 45 + years. If for no other reason he should be liked for showing us what a hippocratical bunch of Bas---- leaders we have in the US and FLA when comparing China (most favored nation)to Cuba (only US citizens are forbidden to travel there).
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,229 ✭✭✭✭
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    "Having said that, it would be interesting what would happen with their economy if America made a complete reversal of policy. Suppose Amercia said "Go ahead and call yourself a Communist state. We are going to flood your economy. We will vacaction in Cuba. We will buy whatever we can from the Cuban people. Raul, just try to keep control of your economy. Just try to surpress the people standard of living. You think communisimis good? The people are going to like capitalism so much better."

    Capt. Plaid you are exactly right. This is the policy the US should have undertaken years ago, and we probably would have, except that Presidents feel the need to pander to the fanatical Cuba lobby in Florida.
    I see these Cubans dancing around in the streets, celebrating. They are yelling about freedom and democracy.
    What a bunch of heros. They sat around for 45 years, waiting for a guy to die. When he does, they will all drink another rum and Coke, and cross their fingers and hope that the dictator's brother will be a nice guy. Guess what? The brother will be worse.
    If these Miami Cubans were half the men that Castro was, they would have gotten their guns and gone to the Sierra Maestra mountains and started a war to kick Fidel out. What, a couple hundred guys got killed at the Bay of Pigs, so the rest decided there was nothing to be done? What a bunch of losers.
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    zipperzapzipperzap Member Posts: 25,057
    edited November -1
    ... before we get too huffy puffy, read about the Cuban oil reserves and the Chinese who want to exploit them ... and slant drill into ours![:(!]
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    gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Elian Gonzalez has been declared Fidel's successor!


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    IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Batista was no prize; between the US Sugar Company and organized crime, Batista was really not much more than a figurehead. But Castro has been no prize, either, as the hundreds of thousands of people braving the passage to Key West have demonstrated over the past fifty years.

    I sure won't mourn his passing when it occurs, but my main concern is the aftermath. Castro has ruled with a combination of a personality cult & brutal repression with all power firmly in his hands alone. At best, this doesn't make for an orderly transition. At worst, there is the potential for a devastating civil war. As with any dictatorship, there are others biding their time in hopes of becoming the next absolute power.
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    kimikimi Member Posts: 44,723 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    Adios mutterfocker

    I'd drink to that![:D]
    What's next?
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    sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    I would support a small group of Marines, say 100K or so dressed in Venezuelan uniforms taking the courtry just for the cigars. Forget the oil.[:D][:D]
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    scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    we don't need cuba now...there are already casinos on every corner...the good news is, some of their people can go home
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