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Are You Afraid Yet?

HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
edited May 2004 in General Discussion
Link: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/ash-m28.shtml

Article questioning the current rash of "terror warnings." Gotta keep them drums beating. [:(]

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    jujujuju Member Posts: 6,321
    edited November -1
    Several news orgs have mentioned this Hairy, however I look at it like a weather warning.

    If conditions are right for storms, floods, tornados etc. then the weatherman issues a warning. Doesnt mean it will happen or is gonna happen and more times than not he is wrong but they contiue to issue warnings. Terrorism is just a storm of a different nature.

    Rather be forewarned than not.

    JuJu(the weather watcher)
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    ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by juju

    If conditions are right for storms, floods, tornados etc. then the weatherman issues a warning.

    I believe "warnings" are when the storm has been verified already, but a "watch" is when conditions are right.

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    ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Terrorism warnings... CYA combined with a little election-year paranoia politics... "There may be an attack, but remember: we're doing a bang-up job in the war against terror!"
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    woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    Link: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/ash-m28.shtml

    Article questioning the current rash of "terror warnings." Gotta keep them drums beating. [:(]

    There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.
    Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.



    I take it you never criticized them for not taking the threats prior to 9/11 seriously.

    Woods



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    Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    Let's see:

    1. Before and up to 9/11 there were no warnings. Bush gets accused of knowing about the attacks, doing nothing to stop them, and it's for political reasons.

    2. After 9/11. Periodically the administration issues warnings. Now, they're lying, and it's still for political reasons.


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    HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Rebel James: Not saying there is any lying going on, just pointing out the confusion being sown by the Administration. They just don't have their act together--and it makes one wonder why the sudden clamoring about being vigilent and alert.

    But hoza * the Homeland Department didn't raise the alert level if the news by Ashcroft and Company warranted the "dog and pony" show? Who, in this Administration, knows what is going on?

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    jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    It is going to take many years to un-do the damage done to our intelligence abilities, if it can be un-done at all, but it's all we have to work with. Let's hope it is enough.

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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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    ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    Rebel James: Not saying there is any lying going on, just pointing out the confusion being sown by the Administration. They just don't have their act together--and it makes one wonder why the sudden clamoring about being vigilent and alert.


    And despite the fact that the CIA (who receives such intel to help issue alerts) has nothing to do with and is not appointed by the "Administration", its still the "Administrations" fault, right?

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    ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    World Socialist Web Site?

    Now we know where Hairy gets his "news" from..
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Isnt the Head of the CIA an appointed government Official??
    Isnt the head of the FBI an appointed government official??
    Your know FEDERAL B.I.
    I know the head of the Secrete Service is,

    So I would say the CIA is government run.......Maybe- Maybe not

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    dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
    You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.


    Some morons do.[;)]

    PS Glad to see ya' back DWS![:D]

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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
    World Socialist Web Site?

    Now we know where Hairy gets his "news" from..

    Thanks for pointing out that out. HAIRY, if you want people to take you seriously, you'll have to come up with some sources that aren't admittedly socialist.

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    HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Amazing that the SOURCE of the information is decried and not the information itself. I once asked what "source" would be viewed as acceptable to the board, I was told to find my own sources!!

    Yet, when O'Neil came out with his charges against Bush, it was unacceptable; when Clarke came out with his charges against Bush, it was unacceptable; when Kay came out with his testimony re: WMD, it was unacceptable; when Zinni comes out with his comments, it was unacceptable; when ......... Sorta getting to think I'm showing things to a flock of Ostriches. [:D]

    Guess you guys think that as long as it comes from the Republican Committee to Elect Bush it is okay; anything else is taboo. (Darn truth hurts, doesn't it?) [;)][}:)]

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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    Guess you guys think that as long as it comes from the Republican Committee to Elect Bush it is okay; anything else is taboo. (Darn truth hurts, doesn't it?) [;)][}:)]
    Before you go jumping to conclusions, I am not a Republican. (Nor am I a Democrat.) I have just as much a problem with obviously biased rightist sources as I have with obviously biased leftist sources.

    All I ask is that you find some objective material. If your goal is to "enlighten" us, you can't expect stuff quoted from a socialist website to be taken seriously.

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    HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    FS: quote:All I ask is that you find some objective material.Cripes--that's like asking what beauty is--your suggestion as what constitutes "objective material" please. [:D][;)][}:)]

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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    Cripes--that's like asking what beauty is--your suggestion as what constitutes "objective material" please.

    objective, adj.: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations

    Some sites that are not objective sources of information:

    ? Any socialist website.
    ? Sites belonging to any political party
    ? Sites belonging to any religious group

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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by FreudianSlippers
    ...expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations

    Logically impossible; as perceived is precisely the problem. I say we should all speak in atomic sentences (e.g., Chair here now). Who is right about rainbows, Newton or Wordsworth?
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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep

    Logically impossible; as perceived is precisely the problem. I say we should all speak in atomic sentences (e.g., Chair here now). Who is right about rainbows, Newton or Wordsworth?

    Art is one thing, but reality exists outside of our senses and can be described without inserting one's political agenda.

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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by FreudianSlippers
    ...reality exists outside of our senses and can be described without inserting one's political agenda.

    If reality exists outside our senses, how is it perceived?
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    bigt7mmbigt7mm Member Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is getting heavy...............

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    Gibbs505Gibbs505 Member Posts: 3,175
    edited November -1
    For a thread that started about the threat level warning kinda off topic and yes heavy!![:(][:D][8D]

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    HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    FS: Why not just acknowledge the source of the information and then EVALUATE the information itself? After all, even a liar tells the truth sometimes. [:D]

    One of the purposes of reading a variety of sources is to see the same information presented in different guises. True, depending upon one's biases and preconceptions, a particular guise may be more attractive than another, but sometimes, just sometimes, one does learn something that changes one's opinion. [;)][}:)]

    So, until there is a source that is totally objective AND TRUTHFUL, I'll be forced to read and compare the different versions of our world. May I suggest, respectfully, you join me on this quest for the truth? [;)]

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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
    If reality exists outside our senses, how is it perceived?
    Perception implies both a perceiver and that which is perceived. That which is perceived must be outside of ourselves.
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    So, until there is a source that is totally objective AND TRUTHFUL, I'll be forced to read and compare the different versions of our world.
    Because everyone is biased to some extent, there is no 100% objective, truthful source. (That seems to be what you are inferring from my previous posts.) The expression "even a stopped clock is right twice a day," has some truth in it.

    However, some sources of information are more objective than other sources. Many sources (e.g., the World Socialist Web Site) make no attempt at being objective. Time is better spent seeking information from a reliable source rather than wading through a mountain of BS hoping to find some grain of truth.

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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by FreudianSlippers
    Perception implies both a perceiver and that which is perceived. That which is perceived must be outside of ourselves.

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