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Another Question about Hunting Private Property

41 nut41 nut Member Posts: 3,016
edited December 2009 in General Discussion
The responses to my post Hunting question for the board brings up another question from the responses.

In your state where property is either private or public who pays to control fires or spread herbicide on the property. If the state does with taxpayer dollars then why shouldn't the taxpayer be allowed to hike, fish, or hunt that property. I'm talking about large areas of forest land primarly but large open areas would be the same. If a forest fire breaks out in your state who pays the bill you the taxpayer or the property owner? Same question if there is a large outbreak of a forest devestating insect or disease?

In this state both are paid by the taxpayer therefore the property is considered open to the public unless properly posted, which in this area of the state very little is posted. Also about the only public land is state park where hunting is prohibited.

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  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,551 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never had a forest fire around me, don't think the midwest has that problem. If you want a place to hunt, fish, and hike buy your own. Private property is PRIVATE. I don't want every * out there roaming my woods, leaving trash everywhere, and shooting at anything they see.
  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,390
    edited November -1
    Hello if your house catches on fire the fire department comes to put it out with your way of thinking all taxpayers are paying for this also .So your house belongs to everyone. Can I come into your house any time I want to. [?][?]
  • westernMDhunterwesternMDhunter Member Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Property owners pay property taxes on their land they own. A portion of the taxes collected go toward the local fire department here. Not many people will come and ask a landowner if they can help them with their property taxes, or help with odds and ends on the ground in return allowing them to hunt or ride their ATV's on their land, some just take it upon themselves to invite themselves and run when confronted.[xx(]
  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your house catches fire. Government paid fire department puts out the fire. Using your logic, give me your address and me and my family and dogs and cats will be over and spend next weekend. Herbicides are NOT spread on private property by the government. Trespass on my private land and you will be arrested. Pose a threat in the process and you could end up shot. ALL land in this country is either owned by the government or privately owned. Private land is not available to the public without the expressed permission of the legal owner.
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    As a property owner +1000 to the above. MY taxes pay for services.

    Now with that said if I cause a fire on my property or anywhere else I could be held liable for the cost of suppression. If that happens it usually comes down to a criminal or negligent act that is dealt with in court.
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I pay taxes on my property. Those taxes goes into the states General Operating Fund. That fund pays for services such as fire fighting, Police services, road maintenance and a host of welfare handouts and other state services.

    That does not give you the right to step foot on any property I own. Posted or not.

    WV has a law known as Castle Doctrine. Look that one up after I tell you just one time to stay off of my property.
  • 41 nut41 nut Member Posts: 3,016
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
    Herbicides are NOT spread on private property by the government.


    They sure are on forest land here.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 14,795 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In Idaho if you're caught hunting on private property without permission, you lose your hunting rights.

    On my GPS I have a map that shows property ownership of the entire state of Idaho: BLM, Forest Service, State, and private. As I travel on my ATV I can tell whether I'm on private land or public land. When I come across some Chuckers or Quail on private land, I just keep on going.

    41 nut: Your logic is flawed. Presumption of ownership of land is never a consideration of law. I'm sure you have heard of "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Well presumption of open land is no excuse.

    The State has an obligation to put out fires, and property taxes are paid to equip and man those agencies.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • Fly DoctorFly Doctor Member Posts: 5,053
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 41 nut

    In your state where property is either private or public who pays to control fires or spread herbicide on the property. If the state does with taxpayer dollars then why shouldn't the taxpayer be allowed to hike, fish, or hunt that property.


    So, if we continue down that line of logic, then if the city, county
    or state put out a fire in your home, then your fellow citizens at
    that level of service should be able to hike around your home. Same
    goes for the agencies driving down your streets and spraying
    herbicide to prevent mosquitoes. I've got dibs on the treestand
    on top of your entertainment center! [;)]

    Private land is just that - private, no matter the size.
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Fly Doctor
    quote:Originally posted by 41 nut

    In your state where property is either private or public who pays to control fires or spread herbicide on the property. If the state does with taxpayer dollars then why shouldn't the taxpayer be allowed to hike, fish, or hunt that property.


    So, if we continue down that line of logic, then if the city, county
    or state put out a fire in your home, then your fellow citizens at
    that level of service should be able to hike around your home. Same
    goes for the agencies driving down your streets and spraying
    herbicide to prevent mosquitoes. I've got dibs on the treestand
    on top of your entertainment center! [;)]

    Private land is just that - private, no matter the size.





    I think 41 nut spent to much time on his bike following the DDT spraying truck through his neighborhood as a child.
  • storm6490storm6490 Member Posts: 8,010
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 41 nut
    The responses to my post Hunting question for the board brings up another question from the responses.

    In your state where property is either private or public who pays to control fires or spread herbicide on the property. If the state does with taxpayer dollars then why shouldn't the taxpayer be allowed to hike, fish, or hunt that property. I'm talking about large areas of forest land primarly but large open areas would be the same. If a forest fire breaks out in your state who pays the bill you the taxpayer or the property owner? Same question if there is a large outbreak of a forest devestating insect or disease?

    In this state both are paid by the taxpayer therefore the property is considered open to the public unless properly posted, which in this area of the state very little is posted. Also about the only public land is state park where hunting is prohibited.


    That's why we pay our property taxes. It pays for protection.

    You need to change your laws. Our constitution protects hunting fishing and trapping.

    Hunters fisher trappers and even granola crunching hippies need to be aware of private property boarders and are responsible for their actions. I didn't know it was private is no excuse.
  • jjmitchell60jjmitchell60 Member Posts: 3,887
    edited November -1
    A quick easy and simple answer as to the land I own as to others being allowed to do as they please on it because I MIGHT have to call the local FD for a fire:
    I pay the property taxes, the mortage, insurance, the help that I need in building fence, pay for all up keep for supplies, all the fuel for my equiptment to farm it, all the loans on said equiptment, taxes on equiptment when bought, all the money to buy livestock, all vet bills on livestock, and state/federal taxes on any/all income from the farm. I also pay for the ammo and the fire arm that will be used should some one decide to ignore the posted/no tresspassing signs(which I paid for as well) around my boundries and hunt/fish/do as they please on my land WITHOUT my permission.

    Bottom line is if you want to do as you please on a piece of land, BUY it and then do it; other wise abide by laws that are on the books so you will not be fined and/or will live longer IMHO.
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