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11BravoCrunchie
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What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.
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tom
I would like to ask the same question about ARs.
Jon
I've been issued and carry autopistols for many years now and like them, but I cut my defensive handgun teeth on revolvers way back when and received some pretty extensive training. In no way do I feel undergunned with a full size S&W wheelgun and a brace of proper speed loaders.
If someone took the time to teach you how to really use one you'd undoubtedly see them in a different light.
What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.
Unbalanced? I carried one for twenty years. I don't see them as "unbalanced". And the spent casings are kept in the gun, no "policing" up expended casings for those so inclined.
"Slow reload?" I beg you pardon, but anybody that spends a little time getting to know a speed loader can match a mag change any day of the week.
Your showing your young age.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
,MT357 ,I agree about the AR,if I am gonna shoot a high powered rifle,I want something a little better than a supped up .22
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.
I think the princpal reason for a semi auto is the size and weight and the ability to change magazines quickly. Hopefully I never find myself in a fire fight, especially one that requires reloading
Second, what do you do if you have a dead round? PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN! That is the only real malfunction drill for a revolver.....why? Because there are no malfunction drills needed with revolvers! If a revolver jams, it is jammed too bad for a quick fix, or it is broken.
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quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.
Function
when push comes to shove and your life is on the line, the revolver is the most reliable, there is virtually no chance of a misfire caused by the pistol itself.Just to head this off before someone points out that revolvers are capable of malfunctions, especially after firing a large number of rounds or from primers backing out...
With a defensive gun in our real world, the fact that it's capable of firing umpteen thousand rounds without cleaning is moot. The truth is that there's an easily established number of rounds your defensive gun MUST be capable of firing with absolute reliability - the total number of rounds you're carrying. Any more than this means nothing.
Those tests demonstrating hundreds or thousands of rounds between stoppages without cleaning are fun to bounce around and have a degree of significance if you're a SEAL crawling through the muck, but for Joe Citizen's carry piece it's really just a marketing ploy.
What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.
Sounds like you answered your own questions. [:D][}:)]
"Slow reload?" I beg you pardon, but anybody that spends a little time getting to know a speed loader can match a mag change any day of the week.
+1
Or half-moon clips.
Do bad guys run around in groups bigger than 6 ?
They might.
You must be a little short on sleep.
Big Auto = Desert Eagle = .50 Action Express
Big Revolver = .500 S&W Magnum.
The revolver puts over DOUBLE the energy out compared to the auto.
Try to rekemember this stuff:
Doug
.500 S&W Magnum
Comparison of the 500 S&W cartridge (right) to the popular .44 Remington Magnum
Type Centerfire (.50 caliber)
Place of origin United States
Production history
Designer Cor-Bon / Smith & Wesson
Designed 2003
Manufacturer Smith & Wesson
Specifications
Bullet diameter 0.5 in (13 mm)
Neck diameter 0.526 in (13.4 mm)
Base diameter 0.526 in (13.4 mm)
Rim diameter 0.556 in (14.1 mm)
Rim thickness 0.056 in (1.4 mm)
Case length 1.625 in (41.3 mm)
Overall length 2.1 in (53 mm)
Primer type Large pistol originally, now Large rifle
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
350 gr (23 g) JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) 1,975 ft/s (602 m/s) 3,031 ft?lbf (4,109 J)
400 gr (26 g) SP (Soft Point) 1,625 ft/s (495 m/s) 2,346 ft?lbf (3,181 J)
440 gr (29 g) HC (Hard Cast) 1,625 ft/s (495 m/s) 2,580 ft?lbf (3,500 J)
400 gr (26 g) Hollow Point (platinum Winchester) 1,800 ft/s (550 m/s) 2,877 ft?lbf (3,901 J)
test barrel length: 8.375 in
Source: (Cor-Bon)and Double Tap [1] http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_47&products_id=170
.50 Action Express
Comparison of handgun rounds. .50 Action Express on the left.
Type Handgun
Place of origin United States
Production history
Designer Evan Whildin, Action Arms
Designed 1988
Specifications
Case type Rebated rim, straight
Bullet diameter 0.5 in (12.7 mm)
Neck diameter 0.54 in (13.7 mm)
Base diameter 0.547 in (13.9 mm)
Rim diameter 0.514 in (13.1 mm)
Rim thickness 0.06 in (1.5 mm)
Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
Overall length 1.610 in (40.9 mm)
Primer type Large pistol
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
325 gr (21.1 g) Ball 1,305 ft/s (398 m/s) 1,229 ft?lbf (1,666 J)
test barrel length: 6
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If you can't hit it with the first two to six shots... You're not likely to hit it with the remaining 4-6-10-or whatever in the high capacity magazines.That's an oversimplification.
People highly experienced in such things state you can expect the size of your hit 'error radius' to at least double and probably triple in a gunfight - and that's assuming all conditions are perfect.
Now combine this expected error with the fact that you might be confronted with multiple assailants, your breath and heart rate will probably be sky high, light conditions may be poor and in all probability your target will be moving and/or partially concealed.
I'm all about practicing for good accuracy and making each round count, but realistically the need for having as many rounds as possible on tap is there.
If you're going to equip by using odds there's actually no reason to carry a gun in the first place. They're heavily in favor of you never being involved in one. [:D]
I know I saw some research somewhere that the number of shots fired against criminals greatly increased along with the addoption of the semi auto while the number of hits did not. While marksmanship under pressure has always been difficult the semi auto has not helped. It's been demonstarted that even well trained officers will often spray and pray when under pressure.
Can't play russian roulette with a semi auto either.[:D]