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11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.

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  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    what happened to Dano?



    tom
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    I'm with you. Generally, I like to shoot my 1911 but every once in awhile, the 44 mag just has to warm up.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 39,858 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    They're made for people who can shoot.

    I would like to ask the same question about ARs.
  • tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
    edited November -1
    they are positive,not as prone to jams,and not as many parts to fail..i like them[;)][:D]
  • Sig220_Ruger77Sig220_Ruger77 Member Posts: 12,748 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Revolvers are much more reliable and more hunter friendly. That would be my main two reasons for liking them more then semi-autos. I also like the overall style and looks much more.

    Jon
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Keep you from burning up too much ammo too fast. Sometimes you just want somehting different.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have no real experience with a good revolver, do you? A cylinder or two every now and then doesn't cut it.

    I've been issued and carry autopistols for many years now and like them, but I cut my defensive handgun teeth on revolvers way back when and received some pretty extensive training. In no way do I feel undergunned with a full size S&W wheelgun and a brace of proper speed loaders.

    If someone took the time to teach you how to really use one you'd undoubtedly see them in a different light.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.


    Unbalanced? I carried one for twenty years. I don't see them as "unbalanced". And the spent casings are kept in the gun, no "policing" up expended casings for those so inclined.

    "Slow reload?" I beg you pardon, but anybody that spends a little time getting to know a speed loader can match a mag change any day of the week.

    Your showing your young age.
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  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love my 1911's,Iown several other auto's I also like but for my carry gun,,it will always be a revolver,I want to know it is going to work 100% of the time if I need it,in a self defence situation a wheel gun has plenty of capacity and as far as reload,I can use speed loaders about as fast as I can a mag change.
    ,MT357 ,I agree about the AR,if I am gonna shoot a high powered rifle,I want something a little better than a supped up .22
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Grew up watching Westerns Do you have to ask.
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Auto's are fun-I own a couple but I don't find them MORE balanced than a revolver although I don't think any auto is as well balanced as a single action revolver. I have yet to have a revolver jam and I personally don't feel handicapped by 5 or 6 rounds as I am not in a war zone where higher capacity might be needed. As far as slow reload times in a revolver you should ask Jerry Miculek what he thinks about that[;)]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj14tdMRyQ0&feature=related
  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Style!



    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    when push comes to shove and your life is on the line, the revolver is the most reliable, there is virtually no chance of a misfire caused by the pistol itself.
    I think the princpal reason for a semi auto is the size and weight and the ability to change magazines quickly. Hopefully I never find myself in a fire fight, especially one that requires reloading
  • jeffb1911jeffb1911 Member Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First of all is the power issue. Can an auto really handle the more powerful rounds that a revolver uses? What about the low end? So far no one has made a semi auto that can do both equally as well for as long. Think about all semi auto shotguns-can they all go from a 2" 600 FPS load to a 3 1/2" barn burner load without any adjustments, and work EVERY time? Put a 38 S&W load next to a 357 Max in the chambers of a revolver, and they will both fire just as well without any tinkering on the gun.

    Second, what do you do if you have a dead round? PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN! That is the only real malfunction drill for a revolver.....why? Because there are no malfunction drills needed with revolvers! If a revolver jams, it is jammed too bad for a quick fix, or it is broken.
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mercury
    Style!



    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.




    Function
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    when push comes to shove and your life is on the line, the revolver is the most reliable, there is virtually no chance of a misfire caused by the pistol itself.Just to head this off before someone points out that revolvers are capable of malfunctions, especially after firing a large number of rounds or from primers backing out...

    With a defensive gun in our real world, the fact that it's capable of firing umpteen thousand rounds without cleaning is moot. The truth is that there's an easily established number of rounds your defensive gun MUST be capable of firing with absolute reliability - the total number of rounds you're carrying. Any more than this means nothing.

    Those tests demonstrating hundreds or thousands of rounds between stoppages without cleaning are fun to bounce around and have a degree of significance if you're a SEAL crawling through the muck, but for Joe Citizen's carry piece it's really just a marketing ploy.
  • Oklahoma223Oklahoma223 Member Posts: 2,648 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had a Criminal Justice instructor in college who carried a .357 Smith and Wesson revolver in Vietnam. He didn't like it when people ran their mouth about wheel guns. One day I was talking about how they recoiled too much and were not good combat guns. He said "Have you ever used one in combat ?" I shut up.
  • RadarRadar Member Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do bad guys run around in groups bigger than 6 ?
  • k_townmank_townman Member Posts: 3,588
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    What's with the huge obsession over wheel guns? Unbalanced, high recoil, low capacity, slow reload times... I think all they have over, say, a 1911 is higher reliability and ability to be made for larger calibers.

    Sounds like you answered your own questions. [:D][}:)]
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    "Slow reload?" I beg you pardon, but anybody that spends a little time getting to know a speed loader can match a mag change any day of the week.
    +1
    Or half-moon clips.
  • hehatemehehateme Member Posts: 724
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Radar
    Do bad guys run around in groups bigger than 6 ?


    They might.
  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
    Zulu -

    You must be a little short on sleep.

    Big Auto = Desert Eagle = .50 Action Express

    Big Revolver = .500 S&W Magnum.

    The revolver puts over DOUBLE the energy out compared to the auto.

    Try to rekemember this stuff:

    Doug



    .500 S&W Magnum

    Comparison of the 500 S&W cartridge (right) to the popular .44 Remington Magnum
    Type Centerfire (.50 caliber)
    Place of origin United States
    Production history
    Designer Cor-Bon / Smith & Wesson
    Designed 2003
    Manufacturer Smith & Wesson
    Specifications
    Bullet diameter 0.5 in (13 mm)
    Neck diameter 0.526 in (13.4 mm)
    Base diameter 0.526 in (13.4 mm)
    Rim diameter 0.556 in (14.1 mm)
    Rim thickness 0.056 in (1.4 mm)
    Case length 1.625 in (41.3 mm)
    Overall length 2.1 in (53 mm)
    Primer type Large pistol originally, now Large rifle
    Ballistic performance
    Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
    350 gr (23 g) JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) 1,975 ft/s (602 m/s) 3,031 ft?lbf (4,109 J)
    400 gr (26 g) SP (Soft Point) 1,625 ft/s (495 m/s) 2,346 ft?lbf (3,181 J)
    440 gr (29 g) HC (Hard Cast) 1,625 ft/s (495 m/s) 2,580 ft?lbf (3,500 J)
    400 gr (26 g) Hollow Point (platinum Winchester) 1,800 ft/s (550 m/s) 2,877 ft?lbf (3,901 J)
    test barrel length: 8.375 in
    Source: (Cor-Bon)and Double Tap [1] http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_47&products_id=170


    .50 Action Express

    Comparison of handgun rounds. .50 Action Express on the left.
    Type Handgun
    Place of origin United States
    Production history
    Designer Evan Whildin, Action Arms
    Designed 1988
    Specifications
    Case type Rebated rim, straight
    Bullet diameter 0.5 in (12.7 mm)
    Neck diameter 0.54 in (13.7 mm)
    Base diameter 0.547 in (13.9 mm)
    Rim diameter 0.514 in (13.1 mm)
    Rim thickness 0.06 in (1.5 mm)
    Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
    Overall length 1.610 in (40.9 mm)
    Primer type Large pistol
    Ballistic performance
    Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
    325 gr (21.1 g) Ball 1,305 ft/s (398 m/s) 1,229 ft?lbf (1,666 J)
    test barrel length: 6
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    who you calling slow, i can reload in 1 second
  • JorgeJorge Member Posts: 10,656 ✭✭
    edited November -1
  • HappyNanoqHappyNanoq Member Posts: 12,023
    edited November -1
    If you can't hit it with the first two to six shots... You're not likely to hit it with the remaining 4-6-10-or whatever in the high capacity magazines.
  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HappyNanoq
    If you can't hit it with the first two to six shots... You're not likely to hit it with the remaining 4-6-10-or whatever in the high capacity magazines.That's an oversimplification.

    People highly experienced in such things state you can expect the size of your hit 'error radius' to at least double and probably triple in a gunfight - and that's assuming all conditions are perfect.

    Now combine this expected error with the fact that you might be confronted with multiple assailants, your breath and heart rate will probably be sky high, light conditions may be poor and in all probability your target will be moving and/or partially concealed.

    I'm all about practicing for good accuracy and making each round count, but realistically the need for having as many rounds as possible on tap is there.

    If you're going to equip by using odds there's actually no reason to carry a gun in the first place. They're heavily in favor of you never being involved in one. [:D]
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    Its the spray and pray thug mentality of the new breed of cop. Don't teach them to shoot, just make sure they are anti-social, brutal and have lots of hi-cap magazines.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    quote:They're made for people who can shoothit.

    I know I saw some research somewhere that the number of shots fired against criminals greatly increased along with the addoption of the semi auto while the number of hits did not. While marksmanship under pressure has always been difficult the semi auto has not helped. It's been demonstarted that even well trained officers will often spray and pray when under pressure.

    Can't play russian roulette with a semi auto either.[:D]
  • bintherebinthere Member Posts: 48 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clearly, if you prefer a semi- over a wheel gun, you've never been the object of a police shooting investigation. If you have to defend yourself with a semi, expect to explain and defend your explanation of where you were standing for each and every empty case laying around.
  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,611 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I seen a couple jammed revolvers. When they jam, you have to break out tools to un jam them.
  • Dyer_MakerDyer_Maker Member Posts: 1,018
    edited November -1
  • tneff1969tneff1969 Member Posts: 6,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    All those comedians out of work and he is trying to be funny
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