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What's War About

hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
edited September 2004 in General Discussion
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What a magnificent and insightful view of what this war on Terrorism is actually about.

> : General Hawley, is a newly retired USAF 4 star general. He
> : commanded the Air Combat Command [our front-line fighters and bombers] at Langley AFB, VA.

General Hawley's View:

> : "Since the attack [9-11], I have seen, heard, and read
> : thoughts of such
> : surprising stupidity that they must be addressed. You've
> : heard them too.
> : Here they are:
> : (1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is
> : relative."
> : Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is
> : relative. Say it
> : with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying
> : "We're good"
> : doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect
> being
> : is the
> : bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The
> plain
> : fact is that
> : our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders,
> always
> : been and
> : always will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity,
> : opportunity, and
> : affection in history. If you need proof, open all the
> : borders on Earth
> : and see what happens.
> : (2) "Violence only leads to more violence."
> : This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president
> : of an Ivy
> : League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you
> : know in your
> : heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence
> : leads to more
> : violence. Limp, panicky, half measures lead to more
> : violence. However,
> : complete, fully thought through, professional, well
> executed
> : violence
> : never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards,
> : the other
> : guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not
> : "reeducated,"
> : not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead.
> : (3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community
> have
> : failed
> : us."
> : For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a
> stake
> : in the
> : ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at
> : them for not
> : protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under
> Carter
> : appointee
> : Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant
> : ideas decided
> : that the best way to gather international intelligence was
> : to use spy
> : satellites. "After all, [they reasoned), you can see a
> : license plate
> : from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been
> : attacked by a
> : license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans.
> : Finding humans
> : is not possible with satellites. You have to use other
> : humans. When we
> : bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and
> : here's the
> : really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate
> : new humans
> : into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a
> : guy who looks
> : like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop
> : himself down in a
> : coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hi ya, boys. Gee, I sure
> would
> : like to
> : meet that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd
> be
> : doing is
> : giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years."
> : (4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why
> : they're
> : angry at us."
> : Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was
> just
> : a desperate
> : cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer
> : than Elton
> : John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor
> : helpless
> : people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and
> : murdered to stay in
> : power. Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered
> : those planes
> : into the killing grounds is the son of a Cairo surgeon.
> But
> : you knew
> : this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads
> : marching
> : against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who
> : grabbed any
> : cause they could think of to get out of their final papers
> : and spend
> : more time drinking. It's the same today."
> : (5) "Any profiling is racial profiling."
> : Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the
> : attack, the
> : New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended
> : members of the
> : gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were
> afraid
> : of
> : reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying
> at
> : Harvard and
> : using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. Please come back.
> Let's
> : all stop
> : singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think
> : practically. I don't
> : want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane
> four
> : seconds away
> : from hitting Mt.Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy
> next
> : to me to
> : say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them."
> : *SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year:
> : Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never
> to
> : let the
> : relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After
> all,
> : no matter
> : what your daughter's political science professor says, we
> : didn't start
> : this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No
> More
> : Hiroshima's?" I wish I had one that says, "No More Pearl
> : Harbors."
> : THIS NEEDS TO STAY IN CIRCULATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OR
> WILL
> : FALL FOR
> : THE STUPIDITY GOING AROUND. PLEASE PASS IT ON!
> : Thanks a ton. "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If
> you
> : are reading
> : it in English, thank the military."
>

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    ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Yeah, yeah. Whatever...

    I think this has been attributed to Oliver North, Pat O'Reilly, and about a dozen other folks.
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    Mr.PissyPantsMr.PissyPants Member Posts: 3,575
    edited November -1
    quote: Yeah, yeah. Whatever...

    I think this has been attributed to Oliver North, Pat O'Reilly, and about a dozen other folks.
    Regardless of who wrote it, its a great read.

    hughbetcha, I will pass this on.


    Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
    -Benjamin Franklin
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    hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    Yeah, yeah. Whatever...

    I think this has been attributed to Oliver North, Pat O'Reilly, and about a dozen other folks.


    Great minds think alike!
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    ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    I just dislike it when ten different people supposedly said the same thing. Give credit where credit is due.

    But yes, he did make some solid points.
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    hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend sent the essay to me this morning and it was attributed to General Hawley. I kind of thought I had read some of it before, but wasn't sure.
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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whether General Hawley or someone else wrote this really does not matter; it is a mindless piece of glib, simplistic drivel in its own right, so pathetically self-righteous and excusatory and void of information value that it could have been penned by Michael Moore's alter ego. And as with Fahrenheit 9/11, it is but the other piece of bread in the same crap sandwich.
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    hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
    Whether General Hawley or someone else wrote this really does not matter; it is a mindless piece of glib, simplistic drivel in its own right, so pathetically self-righteous and excusatory and void of information value that it could have been penned by Michael Moore's alter ego. And as with Fahrenheit 9/11, it is but the other piece of bread in the same crap sandwich.


    DWS
    I thought the part about Jeffery Dahlmers frozen head collection was really deep... Read it again to yourself slowly and maybe you'll get it.
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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    I thought the part about Jeffery Dahlmers frozen head collection was really deep... Read it again to yourself slowly and maybe you'll get it.

    Hmmmm...I thought the part about the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel was really deep. No matter. The issue is not whether one gets it but rather how it would play with anyone who didn't agree with it in the first place. Did I miss an argument somewhere? It isn't just that this mindless drivel doesn't leave us any more informed or convinced when it leaves us; it's that it doesn't leave us any more informed or convinced than when it found us. It only makes explicit what some people already believe and want or need to hear. So whence the magnificent and insightful view?
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    hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's like the Beatle records, you have to read it backwards to get the real message. The guy who sent it to me wrote the part about it being magnificent and insightful. That's his editorial opinion. I think the passage that actually conjured up the most vivid image for me was the part about being huddled on the floor in the back of the plane waiting to die. Can't you just hear the droning of the engines as the plane descends, taste the tear gas, smell the sweat of your fellow passengers, feel the naked fear as your life flashes before your eyes and you realize you should have taken next flight out in the morning? Powerful, and insightful, that's all I can say.
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    DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    It's like the Beatle records, you have to read it backwards to get the real message...I think the passage that actually conjured up the most vivid image for me was the part about being huddled on the floor in the back of the plane waiting to die.

    I'm sorry, I missed that passage. Come to think of it, I'm still missing it. And are you the Walrus or the Egg Man? Coo-coo-cah-joo.
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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you're going to post e-drivel, at least get rid of the > : that precedes every line.

    Jacqueline
    www.gratuitouslylongdomainname.net

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt (1783)
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