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Constitutional Amendments 1, 2 and 4

Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
edited October 2004 in General Discussion
Hello to all.

I'm just in here to post over in the politics section, and to ask here if you thought I'd been run off by the reception here, and I'm here to exercise my right to freedom of speech on a public forum.

This is not political, but a personal statement.

If you read what I have to say, you might find something interesting in it. But if you stop reading too soon, you will never know.

When I signed up for membership in this forum, I did so simply to thank people whose humorous comments made me laugh on a bad day.

In my sign up I checked off the box saying not to contact me by email under any circumstances. Exercising my right to privacy, that is the blank I checked.

But after receiving a rude reception to my thanks, some one from here trying to be a gentleman, overrode my request not to be contacted, sent me an email and invited me back.

Had he not done that, I probably would never have come back here, except by accident.

And yet after coming back by and stating my opinions, exercising my right to freedom of speech on this public forum, I was received miserable treatment by some people who in my way of thinking (and I would venture to say in any kind of civilized or Christian thinking), I was called a "troll" as if I had purposely sought out this forum to "stir the excrement" as someone put it.

The insults to me and my family were capped off, by "locking" my topic in the political forum and not moving it from this forum, but deleting it altogether, which I submit is a violation of my right to freedom of speech.

Please keep reading:

The basic conflict here comes from the fact that I believe in our ENTIRE Constitution, and ALL the Amendments to it.

The people who attacked me here, apparently only believe in ONE of the Constitutional Amendments: The 2nd Amendment.

I'm here to say that even though the purpose of this site is to promote guns and the sale or discussion of guns, the gun is not the whole of the law.

Let me repeat that: The gun is not the whole of the law.

For good or bad motives, my right to privacy as given in the 4th Amendment was overridden when I was contacted over my express desire not to be contacted.

Having accepted the invitation to come back here and contribute, my 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech was abridged and overridden, by deletion (which changes a history that might conceivably need to be called on legally); it was abridged and overridden by locking and blocking the exchange of ideas, for which I cannot think of any good motives.

If you want to know why people of a different mind would like to take away the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, all you have to do is look at some of the people here. The operative word being "some."

Some of the people here show full well why any organized government cannot allow individuals to amass large collections of arms. Because it is evident that each of them have their own particular ideas about what everyone should believe, and they would be more than willing to shoot it out with anyone who disagreed, and whatever their idea of the perfect government would be, it has precious little to do with or in common with the government that gave them the rights they have now, including the right to bear arms.

Since getting the "treatment" I have found my ability to write is best be placed where there are open-minded people of intelligence and civility, and also where it can be the most effective.

My thanks to all here who are open-minded, civil and kind, and thanks to those who are not, too. Because the ones who are not kind, open-minded or civil have inspired me to do the most and best writing I have done in long, long time.

Finally, there can be nor open and free exchange of ideas, if one voice or one side of an issue is blocked or silenced. All there is without open and free exchange of ideas is the conditions that foster a government working in secret contrary to the good of all the people.

And that's all I have to say for now.

P.J. aka *Forget-Me-Not*

This is me.
Just as I am.
Now and Forever.
Forget-Me-Not

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    MosinNagantDiscipleMosinNagantDisciple Member Posts: 2,612
    edited November -1
    FMN: I'm curious since I've seen many of your posts, do you, as a citizen, exercise your second amendment right?

    My previous signature was incredibly obnoxious.
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
    FMN: I'm curious since I've seen many of your posts, do you, as a citizen, exercise your second amendment right?

    My previous signature was incredibly obnoxious.


    Yes. As a matter of fact, I do.

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,854 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:deleting it altogether, which I submit is a violation of my right to freedom of speech.

    This is a privately owned forum, the moderators are obligated to make judgement calls on what stays and what goes. You can either choose to stay or go, you left, and now claim someone here just couldn't live without you, and now your back complaining in General discussion. Try offering up useful, entertaining, or dare I say, productive conversation or debate, and you MAY just be alright.

    I never figured out why when people "leave" GB they have to cry about it in long drawn out posts just one last time.

    Don't let the door hit you in the * on the way out.



    R/

    Dave
    th_bigclay.bmp
    How different the world would be if we could consult the veteran instead of the politician. - Henry Miller
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Sorry you have a thin skin.

    This is not a public forum..it is privately held..and we all post at the owners largesse...public and private are two far different things.

    Forget-Me-Not;
    quote:has precious little to do with or in common with the government that gave them the rights they have now, including the right to bear arms.
    Sorry..
    this..nor any other government in history.."Gave Me Rights"..My RIGHTS came from God..this government merely affirmed them..then steadily works to deprive me of them.

    Your attack on ALL gun owners because a few on here gave you a bad time..is precisely the same reasoning used by the Socialists to achieve their ends..total subjacation of the people of America.Welcome to their camp.

    Your opinion in this matter of guns is irrelevant..so gird your loins and.."MOLON LABE.."
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    the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Since getting the "treatment" I have found my ability to write is best be placed where there are open-minded people of intelligence and civility, and also where it can be the most effective.
    i think they should up the voltage...
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    mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    FMN...I think you're laboring under a misconception here. There is no 1st Amendment right, per se, on this forum. It is a privately owned site and the owners are at liberty to run it any way they choose. You seem to be getting your nose out of joint because you got "locked" or "poofed" or whatever other "affront", either real or imagined, you have suffered. There are damn few of us who haven't had one, or all, of those things happen to us. If you want to take it like the rest of us have and remain, fine. If you want to leave, fine. We'll endeavor to persevere whatever your decision.

    Mudge the harsh

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!<BR>
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    MosinNagantDiscipleMosinNagantDisciple Member Posts: 2,612
    edited November -1
    FMN, you need to lose the self-righteousness and the condescending 'tude. Thats what the people here seem to be taking offense to.

    Try to lighten up. Not every post has to be a courageous assault on the status quo.

    My previous signature was incredibly obnoxious.
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the post in question was still here, which it is not, perhaps I could ask what infraction of the terms of service I had commmitted that would have warranted deletion or "poofing" as Mudge, I think put it.

    And without trying to seem "uppity" or whatever my "crime" in posting is, I'd just like to say there is case law that says even if propery is private, if it has been opened to the public for use (as this forum has), the owner(s) cannot use the fact that it is "private" to abridge Constitutional rights... among which is freedom of speech...

    I hope I have worded this response in an acceptable manner. [?]

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    These are all good questions to ask your 5th grade teacher when you go back to school tomorrow.

    Lord Lowrider the Loquacious.

    Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets

    She was only a fisherman's daughter,
    But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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    gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    I believe this is the only time I have responed to one of your posts and i have read most of them and thought you came across very uppity even insulting to most of us here, so all i have to say is get over it , shoot I've been kicked off this forum for things i've said , been poofed many times , you learn if you stay around long enough, that the owners have their way of doing things and if you don't like them too darn bad , learn to go by their rules or leave its really that simple
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by the loveable rat...
    quote:Since getting the "treatment" I have found my ability to write is best be placed where there are open-minded people of intelligence and civility, and also where it can be the most effective.
    i think they should up the voltage...


    Dear rat,

    (And you ARE loveable, btb.)

    Even though we don't necessarily see eye-2-eye, you totally crack me up, rat!

    That was a brilliant catch!

    *Laughing so hard I nearly wet my favorite chair*

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    FMN...you STILL don't get it, do you? You have no RIGHTS here. you have PRIVILEGES. They can be, and are, given and taken at the whim of the administration. You know...the old "Golden Rule".
    He that has the gold, makes the rules.

    Mudge the clarifier


    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!<BR>
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    James AyersJames Ayers Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [8D]Yo FMN, you are "Debate" oriented and very versed in response- I think you're a positive additive to this (private) forum. -JIMBO-[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

    On your mark-get set- go away!!
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by James Ayers
    [8D]Yo FMN, you are "Debate" oriented and very versed in response- I think you're a positive additive to this (private) forum. -JIMBO-[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

    On your mark-get set- go away!!


    Thank you, JIMBO. I appreciate the kind comments, and hope no one holds them against you. [:I][:)][:I][:)][:I]

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Forget-Me-Not
    I'm just in here to post over in the politics section, and to ask here if you thought I'd been run off by the reception here, and I'm here to exercise my right to freedom of speech on a public forum.

    I'm stopping right there. Freedom of speech is a protection against the government, not against an at-will message board.
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mudge
    FMN...you STILL don't get it, do you? You have no RIGHTS here. you have PRIVILEGES. They can be, and are, given and taken at the whim of the administration. You know...the old "Golden Rule".
    He that has the gold, makes the rules.

    Mudge the clarifier


    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!<BR>


    I do understand what you are telling me, mudge. But a body can't pose a question, unless they pose the question. Kind of one of those little paradoxes, you know?

    In any case, thanks... I think. [!:/]

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
    <GASP> I forgot you, FMN....<THUD>

    G'DAY Skippy!


    Well, I'm back so you don't have to worry about it. [;)] *L*

    Oh, by the way, I thought of a quote that relates to another flower besides the Forget-Me-Not that seems germane somehow:

    "Forgiveness is the scent of the violet on the heel of the one who crushed it."

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    i'd like to revive a saying for an era gone by:
    HE'S A NARC!!!!!(proceed to pummel until near death)

    dude: if you take this forum that seriously, have your meds checked. we all bust eachothers balls. we all agree to disagree. deal with it or hit the bricks

    --Laws too gentle are seldom obeyed; too severe, seldom executed--

    --The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them--

    --It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind--
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    CA sucksCA sucks Member Posts: 4,310
    edited November -1
    Its not your ideas people found offensive (well not your ideas people found most offensive), but you tone, attitude, and weird font and refusal to use the edit feature :-). Sure your not in favor of Bush, but Hairy and the dead monkey arent either, and neither am I, but nobody hear gave them as hard of a time as they gave to you. Just use normal font, edit instead of making a second post with corrections, stop posting random stuff about siblings with beverage containers, and stop being sot incredibly self righteous, you can disagree without appearing obnoxious.
    btw this post was made a little under the influence.
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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CA sucks

    btw this post was made a little under the influence.

    Who let this man get almost sober? Bring him another beer!
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    pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I usually do not engage with your type, but you make it tempting and so easy,
    I will.....(this time)

    OK little miss, "I'm allergic to bikinis" who has to type in BIG letters with colors and fonts galore. (at least you settled down with that, a bit, this time) Who's brother can indent someone's head with a pop can. Who's whole family can beat up everyone else. So your back, with the same condescending, holier than thou, attitude you left with. Whining like you never left. So what.

    I am calling you out. I don't believe you. Just who is this person that sent you an email? Who is it, that has some mystical power, to pull an email address out of thin air? You have no contact info. No member can e-mail you without some kind of contact info. Some members might want to know who it is, so there can be an old fashion can of whoop-* opened, on him/her.

    Another thing. So you got locked and/or poofed, lots here have, GET OVER IT or (preferably) GET OUT.

    You say there is case law about private property and the first amendment, cite it, or shut up. If a private property owner does not like what you say, he can ask/force you to leave his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Which spoon is this.....dano?

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
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    CA sucksCA sucks Member Posts: 4,310
    edited November -1
    Oh we have a keg right here, im not gonna be sober for long, my post about the debates was made while a little more sober, if I didnt have my class tomorow moring id be bringing out my vodka and iced tea.
    btw, im only 18, shame on you for encouraging me to drink, even though i have junior standing in college,
    you know, im thinking of dropping my morning class, so i might get really under the influence later nad post some ppoorly spelled psots.
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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    Majoring in biology with a minor in consumption. [:D]
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    edited November -1
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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Forget-Me-Not
    The insults to me and my family were capped off, by "locking" my topic in the political forum and not moving it from this forum, but deleting it altogether, which I submit is a violation of my right to freedom of speech.
    I don't think I've ever read one of your posts, but I would like to point out that on any online forum, a moderator may delete posts, and this does not amount to an violation of your First Amendment rights.

    The First Amendment is designed to protect the people from government censorship. It does not prevent a private organization (e.g., Gunbroker.com) from placing limitations on what can and cannot be discussed.

    Jacqueline
    www.gratuitouslylongdomainname.net

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt (1783)
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    salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Forget-Me-Not
    And yet after coming back by and stating my opinions, exercising my right to freedom of speech on this public forum, I was received miserable treatment by some people who in my way of thinking (and I would venture to say in any kind of civilized or Christian thinking), I was called a "troll" as if I had purposely sought out this forum to "stir the excrement" as someone put it.



    The fact that you have freedom of speech, DOES NOT mean that when you exercise that freedom, the content of the speech is "free" from criticism. You exercise your right to speech at your own risk, people are free to point out that your words are silly, stupid, etc.
    Stop being a mamaluke.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
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    Bubba JoelBubba Joel Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November -1
    I guess being a country boy, I have simple ways to explain things.. Now if someone came in your home and said something you didn't like, you would probably ask him to leave, even though he has constitutional rights..

    Same holds true here.. Just hang on and don't take anything personal.. Just have fun..

    colt_gun_in_hand_spinning_lg_clr.gifstats.gif
    Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they
    can in prison? (This should raise some real questions
    somewhere!!!!)
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    FMN, I don't much care for anything i've seen you post thus far, but that may be a matter of taste. My recommendation for you if you decide to play here again....leave the sniveling B.S. elsewhere...nobody cares...got it?

    Post away if you dare[}:)]

    To borrow a Mudgeism.....Lt the indifferent

    "We become what we habitually do. If we act rightly, we become upright men. If we habitually act wrongly, or weakly, we become weak and corrupt" - *ARISTOTLE*

    **Like Grandad used to say--"It'll feel better when it quits hurtin"
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    competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your title to this thread is misleading--your comments have nothing to do with the Constitution and its Amendments.

    Your comments indicate you understand very little about your rights and the Amendments.

    Your comments are just whining.

    You are ignoring the rules for the General Discussion board: Note the "Please - no Want Ads, For Sale Ads, tech support questions, whining, or griping." sign on the door...



    "Strength is the outcome of need; security sets a premium on feebleness." -- H.G. Wells (The Time Machine)
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    FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Forget-Me-Not
    For good or bad motives, my right to privacy as given in the 4th Amendment was overridden when I was contacted over my express desire not to be contacted.

    You seem to have a limited understanding of the Amendments and the way the Internet works. The Fourth Amendment protects against unreasonable search and seizure by the government and has nothing to do with issues relating to private interaction.

    When you signed up for Gunbroker, you voluntarily gave out your e-mail address. It looks like your e-mail address is hidden now, but if you didn't hide it when you originally signed up, then you have no right to complain if people e-mail you.

    Jacqueline
    www.gratuitouslylongdomainname.net

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt (1783)
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I'm thinking the rule about being 13 or older was violated too. [:D]

    Lord Lowrider the Loquacious.

    Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets

    She was only a fisherman's daughter,
    But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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    spurgemasturspurgemastur Member Posts: 5,655 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My credentials:

    I think FMN has posted the longest post I've seen in my (short) time here. Ummm, that is, besides myself. I've also been criticized (not here, mind you) for coming off as arrogant. And by gum if I don't also think my writing's pretty good. So let me just pose the question:

    Who wants to see me and FMN go one-on-one in a long-winded, "I can one-up-uppity you" sort of brawl? I'm not sure I whine as well as she does, but my logic and constitutional knowledge might be a little better, so it should be a good matchup!



    I'm a geek, and I'm proud of it!
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    Forget-Me-NotForget-Me-Not Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    My credentials:

    I think FMN has posted the longest post I've seen in my (short) time here. Ummm, that is, besides myself. I've also been criticized (not here, mind you) for coming off as arrogant. And by gum if I don't also think my writing's pretty good. So let me just pose the question:

    Who wants to see me and FMN go one-on-one in a long-winded, "I can one-up-uppity you" sort of brawl? I'm not sure I whine as well as she does, but my logic and constitutional knowledge might be a little better, so it should be a good matchup!



    I'm a geek, and I'm proud of it!


    Oh, spurgemastur...

    (and what name that is, too! [;)])

    Why is it I'm worried that one of us might end up like poor old James Stockdale (who I deeply respect, btw): on the spot, flat-footed and out of ammunition?!

    And the one I'm worried about might be me...

    ...It's been a long week... *sighs* [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]

    This is me.
    Just as I am.
    Now and Forever.
    Forget-Me-Not
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    WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,854 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FMN- I hope you've been able to accomplish enough self enduced flatery to propel you forward through several more internet boards that will gladly accept you. May I suggest:

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm

    OR:

    http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.shtml?fid=A43

    Respectfully,

    Dave Wilson, who's just trying to keep the commies away from my beloved GB! Find your own freedom hating corner of the internet.
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