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iraqi leader says there is a limit to acceptable exuses from US troops that kill civilians...friendly fire,jamming tools, what u think?? always 2 sides..
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I think we should say "Screw the Geneva Convention and all their B.S. rules. Our enemies don't follow them, why should we?" And then we should proceed to kill anyone that resists or shows any hostility towards our toops.
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Clouder..
We shoot children all the time, sometimes even unborn:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/31/D8HUT0B81.html
Happens when we are in a country trying to be police you stupid Americans.
there? Seems to me like it is all the armed "Civilians" killing our
troops. So just who do we shoot at? Seems to me the Military is forced
into a policy of "get them to love us" (which they will never do for religious reasons) instead of as in WW 2 of getting the job done in any
way and making them fear us. Ever notice how little the problems were
in The ETO and the PTO after wars end of soldiers being killed? Back
then we were a "different breed of cats, including our high ranking officers who took no sh-t from the defeated enemy". As we were told in
my Inf. Division at wars end "Remember, you are the conquer's". I guess
that is not true anymore or too Politically Incorrect. But it sure worked for us.
Clouder..
I think we should say "Screw the Geneva Convention and all their B.S. rules. Our enemies don't follow them, why should we?" And then we should proceed to kill anyone that resists or shows any hostility towards our toops.
Then what would make us different from the Islamists? We are supposed to be the good guys, it's this kind of attitude that leads to the execution of innocent civilians, like what took place in Haditha. The ends do not justify the means, is it worth winning a war if you sell your soul to the Devil to do it? This is America, not Nazi Germany, our military is not supposed to kill indiscriminately.
Those Marines who killed those innocent women and children out of revenge at Haditha should spend the rest of their lives in Leavenworth, but I don't place the blame entirely on them. They are under an incredible amount of stress, fighting a war that cannot be won. Iraq is becoming more like Vietnam every day, now this war has it's own "My Lai." But since our elected leaders found creative ways not to serve in Vietnam, you wouldn't expect them to learn the lessons of that war.
Saving private Ryan drives that home very well.
It would have been over already.
And clouder, no US soldier would deliberately shoot a child unless he was wearing a suicide bomb. This enemy is not like anything we have been up against.
Women and kids wearing bombs.
I just dont get it. Are there any "soldiers" killing Amricans over
there? Seems to me like it is all the armed "Civilians" killing our
troops. So just who do we shoot at? Seems to me the Military is forced
into a policy of "get them to love us" (which they will never do for religious reasons) instead of as in WW 2 of getting the job done in any
way and making them fear us. Ever notice how little the problems were
in The ETO and the PTO after wars end of soldiers being killed? Back
then we were a "different breed of cats, including our high ranking officers who took no sh-t from the defeated enemy". As we were told in
my Inf. Division at wars end "Remember, you are the conquer's". I guess
that is not true anymore or too Politically Incorrect. But it sure worked for us.
I dunno, I watched Band Of Brother at least ten times now; never saw Easy co. randomly capping civilians because they were pissed at the SS
There's a slight difference between an insurgent with an AK-47 or RPG and a family cowering in their house in the midst of a firefight.
If they were killed by rounds coming from OUTSIDE the house, that is an accident. If they were killed INSIDE by soldiers who saw they were unarmed, that is a war-crime.
When I first heard about this incident I assumed that some mercenaries ("contractors") came in after the Marines left (following the insurgents) and that the mercenaries had their fun with the civilians. There are already examples of "contractors" shooting up civvies and US troops/Iraqi security. However all sources seem to say that it was the Marines that were responsible. I simply can't judge based on the evidence we actually get to see.
Even in WWII, Joe, we didn't deliberately shoot kids.
Clouder..
Yes we did. Just nowhere near as much on TV.
I think we should say "Screw the Geneva Convention and all their B.S. rules. Our enemies don't follow them, why should we?" And then we should proceed to kill anyone that resists or shows any hostility towards our toops.
Zulu7,
32nd Seperate Infantry Brigade, Wisconsin
United States Army
"My only regret is that I have but one life to give for my country."
Odd choise of quote you added. Now suppose the Redcoats had had that attitude.
Read "The Patton Papers" and see for yourself!
Patton continued to do what he thought was right, whenever he could. With great reluctance, and only after repeated promptings from Eisenhower, he had thrown German families out of their homes to make room for more than a million Jewish DP's -- part of the famous "six million" who had supposedly been gassed -- but he balked when ordered to begin blowing up German factories, in accord with the infamous Morgenthau Plan to destroy Germany's economic basis forever. In his diary he wrote: "I doubted the expediency of blowing up factories, because the ends for which the factories are being blown up -- that is, preventing Germany from preparing for war -- can be equally well attained through the destruction of their machinery, while the buildings can be used to house thousands of homeless persons."
And in his diary he noted:, "Today we received orders . . . in which we were told to give the Jews special accommodations. If for Jews, why not Catholics, Mormons, etc? . . . We are also turning over to the French several hundred thousand prisoners of war to be used as slave labor in France. It is amusing to recall that we fought the Revolution in defense of the rights of man and the Civil War to abolish slavery and have now gone back on both principles."
...and on December 23, 1945, General George S. Patton was silenced forever. [;)]