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FW-190...a thing of beauty!
CS8161
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When I see and hear these old planes, it makes my heart skip a beat!
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Wulfmann
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
What an airplane.
He loved to play the sound of the ME-109.
He would play the sound of it cranking up, and then idling.
Fantastic!
Then he played the sound of the Kraut Warbird making a flyby at 350mph.'
That was great.
Yep, there's something about the sound of a radial piston engine that just makes us old kids drop whatever we're doing. I love it!
You'd love Akron Colorado during the National Radial Engine Exhibit. It's a big day for a litle town.
http://www.nationalradialengineexhibition.com/
One of the best times I ever had
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My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
Yup. The Double Wasp, also known as "Whistling Death".
quote:Originally posted by Joe Drees
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
Yup. The Double Wasp, also known as "Whistling Death".
Wasn't the Corsair known as the "Ensign Eliminator"?
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Joe Drees
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
Yup. The Double Wasp, also known as "Whistling Death".
Wasn't the Corsair known as the "Ensign Eliminator"?
Sure was, because it took more hours to master than any other carrier aircraft at the time.
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Joe Drees
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
Yup. The Double Wasp, also known as "Whistling Death".
Wasn't the Corsair known as the "Ensign Eliminator"?
Sure was, because it took more hours to master than any other carrier aircraft at the time.
Corsairs did not reach general fleet service until 1945 IIRC.
Mostly a land based fighter beloved by the Marines.
Sweet plane...of course im partial to navy birds...and in my opinion, the hell cat is where its at! The Gruman Ironworks knew how to build an airplane!
The F6F Hellcat was a great plane.
I watched the episode of "Dogfights : The Zero Killer"
Wow.
Ironworks indeed.
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Joe Drees
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
Yup. The Double Wasp, also known as "Whistling Death".
Wasn't the Corsair known as the "Ensign Eliminator"?
Sure was, because it took more hours to master than any other carrier aircraft at the time.
Corsairs did not reach general fleet service until 1945 IIRC.
Mostly a land based fighter beloved by the Marines.
April 1944, with the first U.S. unit being VMF-124. The Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm was the first to qualify them for carrier operations, though.
IIRC, the Japanese called it the "Whispering Death". May be wrong, though. Anyway, really liked the plane.
It was born out of necessity because the BMW engine plant had been so badly damaged they had airframes with nothing to install so the used the Jumo water cooled bomber engine and lengthened the nose delivered them with an apology.
What the pilots discovered was everything that was great about a FW190A8 with all the weaknesses removed.
As it appeared so did the Me262 jet fighter and because that aircraft was superior to everything except take off and landing where it was extremely vulnerable and Tang boys tried to find the hives to jump them the D-9 Long Nose was assigned to protect those 262 bases and were a handful.
From the D-9 Kurt tank improved the design making the Ta-152 high altitude fighter (By now controlling Focke Wulf he changed the designation from FW to his own TA) which was superior to anything over 30K feet.
The big problem was by then a few neat superior designs could not dent the avalanche of P51s P47s etc the Krauts had to face.
The best handling plane ever was of course the Spitfire which could give an average pilot a good chance against a highly skilled bf109 pilot.
The Tang boy s use to say this about their P51Ds: "It can't do everything a Spitfire can but it can do it over Berlin"
One Luftwaffe officer once said "The day I saw a P51 over Berlin I knew the jig was up"
Wulfmann
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
My father flew an airplane called a f4u corsair in the acific during WWII. What engine did that plane have?
R-2800 I believe.
The Corsair did have a Pratt-Whitney R 2800 engine. I believe the P 47 had the same engine. The thing about the radial engines (oil/air cooled) is that they could take a real beating and keep on flying. Being an ex-Marine, I think the F4U Corsair is a thing of beauty as are any of the WWII planes.
The finest flying combat piston engine fighter of WWII superior to any other aircraft was the Focke Wulf 190 D-9.
It was born out of necessity because the BMW engine plant had been so badly damaged they had airframes with nothing to install so the used the Jumo water cooled bomber engine and lengthened the nose delivered them with an apology.
What the pilots discovered was everything that was great about a FW190A8 with all the weaknesses removed.
As it appeared so did the Me262 jet fighter and because that aircraft was superior to everything except take off and landing where it was extremely vulnerable and Tang boys tried to find the hives to jump them the D-9 Long Nose was assigned to protect those 262 bases and were a handful.
From the D-9 Kurt tank improved the design making the Ta-152 high altitude fighter (By now controlling Focke Wulf he changed the designation from FW to his own TA) which was superior to anything over 30K feet.
The big problem was by then a few neat superior designs could not dent the avalanche of P51s P47s etc the Krauts had to face.
The best handling plane ever was of course the Spitfire which could give an average pilot a good chance against a highly skilled bf109 pilot.
The Tang boy s use to say this about their P51Ds: "It can't do everything a Spitfire can but it can do it over Berlin"
One Luftwaffe officer once said "The day I saw a P51 over Berlin I knew the jig was up"
Wulfmann
While the D9 was an excellent airplane, I woulnd't say it was the best of the war. Certainly a contender for that title. However, Tank developed the D9 not because the BMW radials were unavailable- indeed radial versions of the 190 continued to be built- but because the Jumo offered superior altitutde performance, better zoom and dive characteristics, and overall made a better fighter. Which isn't to say it was superior overall; the D9 was inferior to the A versions with the radial engine in performance at medium to low altitutde, in maneuverability, and in rate of roll. Nor was its altitude performance on par with late war versions of the 109 (the 109 K-4 for instance had a top speed of 445 mph and a service ceiling of 41,000 feet, the D9 topped out at 39,500). With a top speed of 440 mph at altitutde it was a hair faster than the Mustang, but not crushingly so.
The 109d9's claim to fame was that it was a great all round fighter with no vices, not a 'good at one thing only' design.
On the Allied side, I would say the Supermarine Spiteful takes top honors as top performer, but it saw VERY limited use. The only slightly less capable Spitfire Mk XIV had a top speed of 448 mph and a service ceiling of 43,000 feet, better than the 190 or 109. Again, on paper; in practice, it was all pretty close, as most combat late in the war took place at low altitude, following the failure of the Luftwaffe to stop the bomber stream. As such, the Hawker Tempest and late model P-47s represented the biggest threat out there, built like tanks and very, very fast.
That said- as a balanced aircraft, the 190d9 should be on anyone's short list of best, it just isn't best without debate.
Gotta love the fat girls too[:D]One of my favs.
P 47. One rugged old girl. Beautiful too.
...I had a "step uncle" that was from Canada and flew Spits for the Brits. I asked him once which he feared more, the 190 or 109. He said that it didn't much matter. It was a matter of who was on whos tail. How one entered a dogfight was as important as the fight itself.
Absolutely true. Not the crate but the fellow flying it- some WW1 ace said that, forget which one.
Also matters who gets the jump on whom. A Grumman Wildcat, a fairly poor performer (even if built like a brick poophouse), if he had altitude and caught a pilot of a much faster/better plane unawares, would stand a good chance at a victory in a diving bounce. Lots of German pilots went down to the guns of Hurricanes, Martlets, even Gladiators because of this fact. And of course on the other side of things, a lot of US and Brit pilots lost their lives because they were in the wrong place, wrong time, not because they were facing a technically superior oponent.
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Gotta love the fat girls too[:D]One of my favs.
P 47. One rugged old girl. Beautiful too.
The P-47 was the plane my grandfather flew and was shot down and killed over the invasion of Normandy on June 7Th 1944. It was reported that enemy fire shot him down but all the men who knew him told my family it was friendly fire from the navy ships off shore.
quote:Originally posted by bigboy12
quote:Originally posted by SG
Gotta love the fat girls too[:D]One of my favs.
P 47. One rugged old girl. Beautiful too.
The P-47 was the plane my grandfather flew and was shot down and killed over the invasion of Normandy on June 7Th 1944. It was reported that enemy fire shot him down but all the men who knew him told my family it was friendly fire from the navy ships off shore.
Strafing ground targets was the most dangerous of all the missions and cost a lot of lives of our airmen.....and the Brits too in their Typhoons and Tempests. My Dad's good friend flew a P47 and lost the tops of his fingers from a German Flak 38 at about 200' over France. Got home however but talked about it the rest of his life. The Germans put a lot of effort into AA work and they were very good at it, making it tough for our guys down at tree level.