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My assault By TSA worker Caught on tape!
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didnt look at the link...was there any penetration?
why? you cruising for a date?[}:)][:o)]
I raised hell about it, I hope I got him fired.
It's bad enough that these ex-gang-banger glorified security guards think they're cops in the terminal, this woman definitely needs to lose her job. I worked some security jobs years ago, and there's always one of these frustrated wannabe JBTs floating around somewhere. Fortunately, at the jobs I was on they were weeded out in short order and sent to guard open ditches at construction sites.
in a heartbeat, I have witnessed to many of the I am in charge
your doing to do what I say. two things, first the instance she touched me, hell would be paid, second I would make sure they people knew everything about it.
In Dec. 2002 they called, wanted me to start in 2 days. I turned them down. AND GLAD I DID!!!
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
didnt look at the link...was there any penetration?
why? you cruising for a date?[}:)][:o)]
Nope, I just get alittle nervous when they tell me to bend over and then say "this might hurt alittle bit"[:D]
I don't mind cooperating with someone trying to do their job, if they are wrong I will have their supervisor involved. If they place their hands on me they will be warned once to keep their hands off of me. I don't put my hands on other people and I will not allow them to do that to me. After the warning if they keep it up, I will defend myself and remove their hands off of me, more than likely breaking bones in the process. I don't care if they are Nazi airport rentacops (TSA) or walmart employees it makes no difference to me. Afterwards I will certainly press charges for assault, and file civil action.
you should drive to your destination
If she was out of line you should have gone back in the terminal and asked for her supervisor. Let that person deal with her. Show them the tape and ask that she be at least verbally reprimanded for getting in your face.
you've got to be kidding right?, hell even the supervisor has their job thanks to affirmative action, now shut up and get back in line cracker
DIdn't you see her badge?
Telling her I'd throw her down the steps my attempt to get her to quit. I had the right to threaten under thosr conditions. She had no business going after me at all. The TSA forbids them from even confronting photographers.
From what I have seen, the vast majority are bored, inept, minimum wage rent-a-cops, often with a chip on their shoulder and a lot of authority to abuse.
However, getting into a scuffle with, or assulting one of the obnoxious little angels will get you in loads of trouble. At the minimum:
1. You will be detained, interrogated (without your lawyer), probably arrested, and possibly charged with a felony.
2. You will be placed on the "no-fly list", so get used to Amtrak or Greyhound. You will never set foot on another commercial flight.
3. TSA has authority to do an "emergency revocation" of any federal certificate or license you possess, with no recourse. People have lost pilot and aircraft mechanic certificates at the whim of TSA goons. TSA's authority exceeds that of the FAA in this regard.
4. You will never obtain a security clearance.
5. You probably won't be able to obtain any sort of federal certification/license in the future, especially if it is connected with any part of the transportation industry.
So be vewwy vewwy fwightened..........
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
If she was out of line you should have gone back in the terminal and asked for her supervisor. Let that person deal with her. Show them the tape and ask that she be at least verbally reprimanded for getting in your face.
No, not kidding. Most organizations like this have a rank structure with supervisors. Even the TSA, as poor quality as they are, have supervisors who's responsibility is to oversee the conduct of those who work under them. If misconduct is brought to their attention they, in most cases, are required to investigate. Dont forget, that the supervisor also has a supervisor.
you've got to be kidding right?, hell even the supervisor has their job thanks to affirmative action, now shut up and get back in line cracker
She was similar to the gal in this video, but even more gangsta, plump and thuggish.... She x-rayed the bag, changed the resolution, dug into my bag and stated "LIIIIIIQUIIID!!!!!!!" in a eureka moment. She was so proud of her find that I had to tell her "GOOD JOB!!" with sarcasm of course.....
Assault, I think not.
So he's filming some cop handcuffing some guy, and the TSA worker says sir you need to stop filming, his response:
"Get the f--k away from me"
she said excuse me, and he repeated his statement.
I didn't see any touching, it did show her holding her hands up, saying she's not touching him, at which point he makes a threat that if she touches him, he will throw her down on the ground.
I've been called a cop hater on other threads, and TSA security is in general worse than the police.
But in this case, the guy filming was the one with the problem.
Maybe he had a right to be fliming, but she never arrested him, or threatened him with arrest, and I saw no "assault", just some pissed off camera man with a very bad attitude.
Umm, I watched the video, exaggeration much?
Assault, I think not.
So he's filming some cop handcuffing some guy, and the TSA worker says sir you need to stop filming, his response:
"Get the f--k away from me"
she said excuse me, and he repeated his statement.
I didn't see any touching, it did show her holding her hands up, saying she's not touching him, at which point he makes a threat that if she touches him, he will throw her down on the ground.
I've been called a cop hater on other threads, and TSA security is in general worse than the police.
But in this case, the guy filming was the one with the problem.
Maybe he had a right to be fliming, but she never arrested him, or threatened him with arrest, and I saw no "assault", just some pissed off camera man with a very bad attitude.
She had no authority to confront anyone taking video inside let alone outside the Terminal. The TSA rules forbid that! She pushed me several times making physical contact. The police were there and saw it, plus there is outside video too under control of the airport authority. She is luck that the police was there to stop her or I would have thrown the woman down the stairs to get her off of me.
If I saw you doing something I didn't like, I could confront you if I wanted to.
Confrontation is not illegal - violent confrontation is.
I didn't see anything violent in the video you took, I only heard statements threatening violence against her.
Personally in response to her telling you that you "needed" to stop filming, you should have said she had no right/authority to stop you.
If she touched you, of course, tell her that it is unacceptable, but I think your threat of shoving her down stairs or something like that was uncalled for.
What I saw was an angry man talking tough, while backing away.
I think it would have been better to respond to her statements that she doesn't have the authority to stop you, and stand your ground, and do your best to ignore her while continuing to film what ever it was you were hoping to film.
If all she was doing was tapping you on the shoulder while asking you to stop filming - who cares.
If she tried to grab the camera, it would have showed on video.
From what I saw, she never tried to restrain you, she never threatened arrest, she did not attempt to escalate it to violence.
Far better behavior than some cops....
When the camera is pointed away from her she's trying to grab it. You heard me order her to take her hands off of me. That's was because she was manhandling me. I did not react to her words alone here. I don't care that my camera was in front of and not aimed at her hands when she was pushing me. Her hands were on my chest behind the camera.
There is the video in possession of the airport authority too. That is not posted here.
Feel free to write the TSA on this woman's behalf. Maybe you can donate some money so she can hire a lawyer to save her job. She is lucky I did not punch her lights out. She deserved much worse then she is getting.
After you warned her once not to place her hands on you and she did anyways you should have defended yourself. Pushing her down the stairs is not defending yourself, putting her in a wristlock and on the ground is defending yourself.
I agree, and I should note, from what I can see, she did not continue to put her hands on him, so it seems words were enough.
As to Defender's comments, I'm not going to defend someone who is trying to stop documentation of police activities - that can lead to greater police tyranny.
But I am also not going to jump on the (semi-racist perhaps?) bandwagon of "you should have beat down that Ghetto trash TSA rent-a-cop and sue her and the TSA and press charges for assault and the world is going to hell"
There was no violence, threat of violence, or invocation of authority/threat of arrest.
You were the first to break from civility, you were the first to threaten violence.
I am not going to sit back and place all the blame on the "ghetto" TSA rentacop.
Yes, she told you to stop filming, and had no authority to do so.
You are a big boy, you should know how to "use your words", this could have turned out much better.
Scenario #1:
TSA: "You need to stop filming, sir"
You: "why?"
*discussion ensues about TSA authority and regulation*
Scenario #2:
TSA: "You need to stop filming, sir"
You: "F*@#$ off!"
*confrontation ensues in which you threaten violence*
She made her bed now she can lie in it. Again she could have been required to post bail and get a well deserved criminal record for the rest of her life. Her initial and continued aggression was dead wrong. By the way she is about 6'1" tall.
She will have to answer to the TSA for her actions. If I learn what they do to her I will do a follow-up story and post it here.
The TSA loves to destry those who dare resist them.
AirTran pilot fined for assault at Va. airportPilot charged with assault for reportedly grabbing TSA screener's hand
By The Associated Press
Updated: 12-4-2009 9:42 am
NEWPORT NEWS, Va. (AP) - An AirTran pilot must pay a $100 fine after being convicted of assaulting a federal security screener at Newport News/Williamsburg International Airport in July.
Michael Wayne Karnath of Beaufort, S.C., was accused of grabbing Transportation Security Administration screener Shonica L. Bell's hand after he put items onto a plastic tray to go into an X-ray machine.
The 57-year-old Karnath denied the charge during testimony Wednesday.
General District Court Judge Gary Mills said he initially planned to dismiss the misdemeanor assault charge. But after hearing Karnath's testimony, he convicted the pilot.
Mills said Karnath was "very combative."
Karnath and his attorney, Douglas Walter, said they might appeal.
Information from: Daily Press, http://www.dailypress.com
California has no laws prohibiting photography at airports. Permits are required for commercial film projects. News gathering photography is also protected by the First Amendment.
TSA Regulations RE: Photography.
2.7. PHOTOGRAPHING, VIDEOTAPING, AND FILMING SCREENING LOCATIONS
A. TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers, or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming screening locations unless the activity interferes with a TSO's ability to perform his or her duties or prevents the orderly flow of individuals through the screening location. Requests by commercial entities to photograph an airport screening location must be forwarded to TSA's Office of Strategic Communications and Public Affairs. Photographing EDS or ETD monitor screens or emitted images is not permitted.
B. TSA must not confiscate or destroy the photographic equipment or film of any person photographing the screening location.
C. Whenever possible, x-ray machine images must not be visible to the public or press. When physical constraints prevent x-ray images from being fully protected from public viewing, TSOs must ensure no member of the public or press is in a position to observe an x-ray monitor for an extended period of time.
Passengers and other unauthorized individuals must not be allowed to view EDS or ETD monitors and screens.
D. In addition to this policy, local laws, State statutes, or local ordinances may prohibit photographing, videotaping, or filming screening locations. TSA management must ensure that TSOs are familiar with these State or local laws. However, State and local authorities must enforce such laws. TSOs must alert an LEO to individuals who may be violating these State or local laws, but must not confront these individuals.
It resembles the text allready posted though.
I'd be willing to look over some of the TSA ignorance and arrogance if they were accomplishing anything. They are simply a waste of several billion dollars. I know by today's standards a few billion dollars is a drop in the bucket, but as Mister Dirksen said years ago, "take a million dollars here and a million dollars there and pretty soon you're talking about a lot of money".
If this woman has been on the job long enough to be allowed to deal with the public without supervision she needs to know her responsibilities and her authority. At a minimum, she needs to go through training again.
Edited to correct spelling of "hand".
The police officer said he was a "suspicious vehicle", which the civilian didn't buy - all he did was park in the parking lot.
Somehow telling a cop that you are allowed to park somewhere is "asking for it", but telling the TSA to F*@# off is fine, and the problem is the "ghetto" TSA "rent a cop" who did not make any threats of abusing authority.
I have to confess I didn't watch the video, now that I have watched the video I have to agree with CA sucks that you should have told her that she was not legally allowed to tell you to stop filming, not just told her to leave you the f--- alone. Sometimes you can avoid a confrontation by being nice to people until they give you a reason not to be nice.You're apparently forgetting that he makes his living gathering evidence for lawyers. [;)]
Sometimes you can avoid a confrontation by being nice to people until they give you a reason not to be nice.
Had I been involved any pretense of being nice would have bit the dust as soon as she touched my camera lens. I count that as being a reason not to be nice.