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Israel beating the WAR drum

GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
edited June 2009 in General Discussion
They are holding a 5 day drill starting today to toughen the people to the sound of sirens and bombs.

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel started its biggest emergency drill in the nation's history Sunday to prepare civilians, soldiers and rescue crews for the possibility of war, the defense force said in a statement.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak has expressed skepticism that Iran can be persuaded to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

The five-day drill, nicknamed Turning Point 3, comes amid the nation's rising tensions with Iran.

It will be conducted in public facilities, including schools, military bases and government offices. Students, soldiers and other civilians will practice how to gather at protected places during an emergency.

Officials said the drill will include simulated rockets, air raids and other attacks on infrastructure and essential facilities, and use of weapons on civilians.

Everyone is expected to go to a protected place at the sound of sirens, the defense force said, adding that more instructions will be broadcast on a public channel.

"It is of great importance that every civilian, institute and workplace will seriously practice in order to improve our preparedness and national resilience," Maj. Gen. Yair Golan of the Home Front Command said in a news statement.

The move comes amid tension between Israel and Tehran.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio last week that he believes "that the chance the dialogue has of stopping Iran's nuclear efforts is very low."

Barak's views are keeping with the majority of his countrymen.

An Israeli poll released this month found that 74 percent believe that the U.S. policy of engagement with Iran will fail and 81 percent think Iran will develop a nuclear weapon capability.

Israel has conducted emergency drills the past two years, but officials said this is the biggest so far.


  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,561 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well the Jews in the US voted for the guy that is throwing the home country under the buss
  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,590 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fshfndr
    Well the Jews in the US voted for the guy that is throwing the home country under the buss

    Bingo! He sure had them fooled, didn't he!
  • SwanKongSwanKong Member Posts: 989 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Jews love those folk.....
  • dan kellydan kelly Member Posts: 9,799
    edited November -1
    if iran uses a nuke against israel it will be the end of iran...and any other country in the middle east who tries to complain too much.
  • RogueStatesmanRogueStatesman Member Posts: 5,760
    edited November -1
    Has anyone read the Holy Bible lately? Israel will NOT lose any wars, God said so.
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Chris8161
    quote:Originally posted by fshfndr
    Well the Jews in the US voted for the guy that is throwing the home country under the buss

    Bingo! He sure had them fooled, didn't he!

    And will continue to fool them .[V]
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RogueStatesman

    Has anyone read the Holy Bible lately? Israel will NOT lose any wars, God said so.

    Maybe, but Edward Teller guaranteed they won't. [;)]
    Between Pakistan, North Korea, or Iran, some moron is going to set off a nuke somewhere.
  • JohnFromCAJohnFromCA Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fshfndr
    Well the Jews in the US voted for the guy that is throwing the home country under the buss

    That's true. I never understood the love affair between American Jews and the Left. The latter keep bashing Israel and give support to Hamas and Hezbollah... [:0] [?]
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,271 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak ...

    I really don't understand Israeli politics. I thought Barak was a big boob and too much of a wimp yet he is now Defense Minister.
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RogueStatesman

    Has anyone read the Holy Bible lately? Israel will NOT lose any wars, God said so.

    ...and America will assure that Israel will not lose. We will blindly send our American boys over there, we will continue to send the Jews our best arms, we will continue to spend billions in "Foreign & Military" aid, and we will continue to give loans with no expectation of payback.

    We are a satellite Nation of Israel, The Zionist Occupation Government of America:

    Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
    Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

    Foreign Aid Grants and Loans

    Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Total U.S. Foreign Aid)

    Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments

    Grand Total

    Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
    Aid to Israel

    Grand Total

    Interest Costs Borne by U.S.

    Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers

    Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli

    For what? The common answer is that Israel is one of our greatest "Allies", a beacon of democracy in the Middle East. They are nothing more than another Socialistic State. Not once has the Israeli Military taken up arms and fought shoulder-to-shoulder with the U.S. Military. They have spied on the United States of America, dealt our military arms on the World Market, and sold our military secrets. No sacrifice by Americans is too great for Z.O.G., including those that were murdered on 9/11/01.

    Israel was a hot topic in every 2008 Presidential and Vice-Presidential Debate. Yet, there was very little discussion about our 2nd Amendment Rights or Border Control.

    The bulk of the Israeli Air Force is made up of American designed and manufactured fighter jets (F-15, F-16, and F-4). Supposedly purchased by Israel from the United States. However, the monies used for said purchases were provided to Israel via American Military/Foreign Aid. We, the American tax payer, have been the sole reason for Israel's existance since 1949.

    Israel did attempt to develop a fighter jet (Lavi) of their own, mostly funded by American money. The Jews decided to not produce the jet and opted to sell the American funded technology to the Communist Chinese. The Chinese utilized the technology when they designed their J-10 fighter.

    Israel's main battle tank is the Merkava. It was designed utilizing an American "Military Grant", with additional help from the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, Motorola, DuPont, Caterpillar, and FN Herstal. Then turn and do "business" with Russia; i.e. Russia Military Industries KMT-4 & KMT-5 anti-mine rollers.

    The U.N. resolution to form the State of Israel would have never been enforceable without the backing of the United States. Israel would not exist as a free State without the past and current support of the United States. Our Military and Foreign Aid ensures the very existence of Israel. We are responsible for their military might and any economic success that they have.

    Here is some more evidence of "their importance as one of our best allies":

    1947. Information collected by the ADL in its spy operations on US citizens is used by the House Select Committee on Unamerican Activities. Subcommittee Chair Clare Hoffman dismisses the ADL's reports on suspected communists as "hearsay."

    1950 John Davitt, former chief of the Justice Department's internal security section notes that the Israeli intelligence service is the second most active in the United States after the Soviets.

    1954 A hidden microphone planted by the Israelis is discovered in the Office of the US Ambassador in Tel Aviv.

    1956 Telephone taps are found connected to two telephones in the residence of the US military attach? in Tel Aviv.

    1954 "The Lavon Affair". Israeli agents recruit Egyptian citizens of Jewish descent to bomb Western targets in Egypt, and plant evidence to frame Arabs, in an apparent attempt to upset US-Egyptian relations. Israeli defense minister Pinchas Lavon is eventually removed from office, though many think real responsibility lay with David Ben-Gurion.

    1965 Israel apparently illegally obtains enriched uranium from NUMEC Corporation. (Washington Post, 6/5/86, Charles R. Babcock, "US an Intelligence Target of the Israelis, Officials Say.")

    1967 Israel attacks the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering vessel flying a US flag, killing 34 crew members. See "Assault on the Liberty," by James M. Ennes, Jr. (Random House). In 2004, Captain Ward Boston, Senior Legal Counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the attack swears under oath that President Lyndon Johnson ordered the investigation to conclude accident, even though the evidence indicates the attack was deliberate. Given the use by Israel of unmarked boats and planes, and the machine-gunning of USS Liberty's lifeboats, the most likely explanation is that USS Liberty was to be sunk with all hands, with evidence left to frame Egypt for the sinking. This would have dragged the US into the war on Israel's side.

    1970 While working for Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Richard Perle is caught by the FBI giving classified information to Israel. Nothing is done.

    1978, Stephen Bryen, then a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is overheard in a DC hotel offering confidential documents to top Israeli military officials. Bryen obtains a lawyer, Nathan Lewin, and the case heads for the grand jury, but is mysteriously dropped. Bryen later goes to work for Richard Perle.

    1979 Shin Beth [the Israeli internal security agency] tries to penetrate the US Consulate General in Jerusalem through a "Honey Trap", using a clerical employee who was having an affair with a Jerusalem girl.

    1985 The New York Times reports the FBI is aware of at least a dozen incidents in which American officials transferred classified information to the Israelis, quoting [former Assistant Director of the F.B.I.] Mr. [Raymond] Wannal. The Justice Department does not prosecute.

    1985 Richard Smyth, the owner of MILCO, is indicted on charges of smuggling nuclear timing devices to Israel (Washington Post, 10/31/86).

    1987 April 24 Wall Street Journal headline: "Role of Israel in Iran-Contra Scandal Won't be Explored in Detail by Panels"

    1992 The Wall Street Journal reports that Israeli agents apparently tried to steal Recon Optical Inc's top-secret airborne spy-camera system.

    1992 Stephen Bryen, caught offering confidential documents to Israel in 1978, is serving on board of the pro-Israeli Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs while continuing as a paid consultant -- with security clearance -- on exports of sensitive US technology.

    1992 "The Samson Option," by Seymour M. Hersh reports, "Illicitly obtained intelligence was flying so voluminously from LAKAM into Israeli intelligence that a special code name, JUMBO, was added to the security markings already on the documents. There were strict orders, Ari Ben-Menashe recalled: "Anything marked JUMBO was not supposed to be discussed with your American counterparts."

    1993. The ADL is caught operating a massive spying operation on critics of Israel, Arab-Americans, the San Francisco Labor Council, ILWU Local 10, Oakland Educational Association, NAACP, Irish Northern Aid, International Indian Treaty Council, the Asian Law Caucus and the San Francisco police. Data collected was sent to Israel and in some cases to South Africa. Pressure from Jewish organizations forces the city to drop the criminal case, but the ADL settles a civil lawsuit for an undisclosed sum of cash.

    1995 The Defense Investigative Service circulates a memo warning US military contractors that "Israel aggressively collects [US] military and industrial technology." The report stated that Israel obtains information using "ethnic targeting, financial aggrandizement, and identification and exploitation of individual frailties" of US citizens.

    1996 A General Accounting Office report "Defense Industrial Security: Weaknesses in US Security Arrangements With Foreign-Owned Defense Contractors" found that according to intelligence sources "Country A" (identified by intelligence sources as Israel, Washington Times, 2/22/96) "conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally." The Jerusalem Post (8/30/96) quoted the report, "Classified military information and sensitive military technologies are high-priority targets for the intelligence agencies of this country." The report described "An espionage operation run by the intelligence organization responsible for collecting scientific and technologic information for [Israel] paid a US government employee to obtain US classified military intelligence documents." The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (Shawn L. Twing, April 1996) noted that this was "a reference to the 1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard, a civilian US naval intelligence analyst who provided Israel's LAKAM [Office of Special Tasks] espionage agency an estimated 800,000 pages of classified US intelligence information."

    The GAO report also noted that "Several citizens of [Israel] were caught in the United States stealing sensitive technology used in manufacturing artillery gun tubes."

    1996 An Office of Naval Intelligence document, "Worldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfare" reported that "US technology has been acquired [by China] through Israel in the form of the Lavi fighter and possibly SAM [surface-to-air] missile technology." Jane's Defense Weekly (2/28/96) noted that "until now, the intelligence community has not openly confirmed the transfer of US technology [via Israel] to China." The report noted that this "represents a dramatic step forward for Chinese military aviation." (Flight International, 3/13/96)

    1997 An Army mechanical engineer, David A. Tenenbaum, "inadvertently" gives classified military information on missile systems and armored vehicles to Israeli officials (New York Times, 2/20/97).

    1997 The Washington Post reports US intelligence has intercepted a conversation in which two Israeli officials had discussed the possibility of getting a confidential letter that then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher had written to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. One of the Israelis, identified only as "Dov", had commented that they may get the letter from "Mega", the code name for Israel's top agent inside the United States.

    1997 US ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, complains privately to the Israeli government about heavy-handed surveillance by Israeli intelligence agents.

    1997 Israeli agents place a tap on Monica Lewinsky's phone at the Watergate and record phone sex sessions between her and President Bill Clinton. The Ken Starr report confirms that Clinton warned Lewinsky their conversations were being taped and ended the affair. At the same time, the FBI's hunt for "Mega" is called off.

    2001 It is discovered that US drug agents' communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which gets half of its research and development budget from the Israeli government, has built a back door into the system that is being exploited by Israeli intelligence and that the information gleaned on US drug interdiction efforts is finding its way to drug smugglers. The investigation by the FBI leads to the exposure of the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, operated by Israel. Half of the suspected spies have been arrested when 9-11 happens. On 9-11, 5 Israelis are arrested for dancing and cheering while the World Trade Towers collapse. Supposedly employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be Mossad. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his business and flees to Israel. The United States Government then classifies all of the evidence related to the Israeli agents and their connections to 9-11. All of this is reported to the public via a four part story on Fox News by Carl Cameron. Pressure from Jewish groups, primarily AIPAC, forces Fox News to remove the story from their website. Two hours prior to the 9-11 attacks, Odigo, an Israeli company with offices just a few blocks from the World Trade Towers, receives an advance warning via the internet. The manager of the New York Office provides the FBI with the IP address of the sender of the message, but the FBI does not follow up.

    2001 The FBI is investigating 5 Israeli moving companies as possible fronts for Israeli intelligence.

    2001 JDL's Irv Rubin arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman. He dies before he can be brought to trial.

    2002 The DEA issues a report that Israeli spies, posing as art students, have been trying to penetrate US Government offices.

    2002 police near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in southern Washington State stop a suspicious truck and detain two Israelis, one of whom is illegally in the United States. The two men were driving at high speed in a Ryder rental truck, which they claimed had been used to "deliver furniture." The next day, police discovered traces of TNT and RDX military-grade plastic explosives inside the passenger cabin and on the steering wheel of the vehicle. The FBI then announces that the tests that showed explosives were "false positived" by cigarette smoke, a claim test experts say is ridiculous. Based on an alibi provided by a woman, the case is closed and the Israelis are handed over to INS to be sent back to Israel. One week later, the woman who provided the alibi vanishes.

    2003 The Police Chief of Cloudcroft stops a truck speeding through a school zone. The drivers turn out to be Israelis with expired passports. Claiming to be movers, the truck contains junk furniture and several boxes. The Israelis are handed over to immigration. The contents of the boxers are not revealed to the public.

    2003 Israel deploys assassination squads into other countries, including the United States. The US Government does not protest.

    2004 Police near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Tennessee stop a truck after a three mile chase, during which the driver throws a bottle containing a strange liquid from the cab. The drivers turn out to be Israelis using fake Ids. The FBI refuses to investigate and the Israelis are released.

    2004 Two Israelis try to enter Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, home to eight Trident submarines. The truck tests positive for explosives.
  • warriorsfanwarriorsfan Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RogueStatesman

    Has anyone read the Holy Bible lately? Israel will NOT lose any wars, God said so.

    And you do realize that the reason why Israel didn't exist for over 2000 years is because they LOST a war to the Assyrians and were conquered, right?
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