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Who are the three percent ?
Highball
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Brick...one of our own..posted this over on Gun Rights. Naturally...I feel it deserves a wider audience then just the 3 %...but that is just me.......
Brickmaster
Senior Member
By Mike Vanderboegh
The other day I ran into a fellow who thought he was a Three Percenter but he wasn't sure. "Yeah," he said, "but what does that Three Percent thing MEAN?" I explained more or less thusly:
Three Percent: The number of colonists who took the field to actively fight against King George III.
Three Percent: The number of America's armed citizenry today who can be counted on to actively resist any future restrictions on firearms, or indeed, any more attacks on the God-given natural liberties which are codified in the Constitution (and some that aren't).
There are, give or take, a hundred million firearms owners in this country. Three percent of that number is three million. So when we speak of the Three Percent, we are talking about three million firearms owners who are politically active, but no longer count on politics alone to defend their liberties. These three million have watched as our traditional right to arms has been attacked and diminished on the federal level for more than 75 years since the National Firearms Act of 1934. In that time, in almost every instance when a new firearm restriction has been proposed, we have lost the political argument and being law-abiding we have allowed ourselves to be shoved back, grumbling. The Three Percent are simply saying, "No more." One more restriction on our natural liberties -- the liberties the Founders did their best to secure -- and we will resist.
"But what do you mean, `resist?'" he asked.
Very simple, I replied, we refuse to obey. If our right to peaceably assemble and personally trade our privately owned arms with other law-abiding citizens is restricted -- the alleged "gun show loophole" --- we will stage our own gun shows and dare the ATF to do anything about it. If the manufacture of ammunition is tampered with by further government restrictions -- punitive taxes, "microstamping," or other such nonsense -- we will make it ourselves or smuggle it in and dare the federal authorities to do anything about it. If more classes of firearms are added to their onerous bans -- fifty caliber rifles for example -- we will manufacture our own and dare them to do anything about it. We can only be oppressed with our consent, for we are armed. And WE DO NOT CONSENT.
"They will shoot you," said my new friend, immediately getting to the crux of the matter.
"Yes, they must," I replied reasonably. "It is what they do. That's the ultimate threat behind every federal infringement. `Do this or we will shoot you.` But THEY must fire first. There must be no Fort Sumters. THEY must cede the moral high ground."
"What happens then?"
"Then," I replied, "we shoot back in righteous self-defense. There will be no more free Wacos for them. The only thing is, to the greatest extent possible, we must then take the civil war to the people who started it and who direct it -- the political mandarin class who issue the orders -- the elected officials, the unelected bureaucracy and their tyranny's cheerleaders in the intelligentsia and press who lay the predicate for it. `No more free Wacos' will have personal implications for those people."
"Isn't that a threat?"
"It is a promise, but I hope they take it as a very real threat against their future misconduct. If they do, and they begin to internalize the fact that the people who they have shoved around these past seventy-five years are finally ready to shove back -- and that it is THEY who will be personally `shoved back' -- then maybe, just maybe, we can avoid a shooting war. Like Mama Liberty says on my blog, `If they don`t want a civil disturbance, why don`t they quit disturbing us?' We`re not trying to tell them what to do and how to live, THEY are trying to force their beliefs on us -- and take our liberty and property in the bargain while demanding we pay for the privilege of being robbed. If they don`t want trouble all they have to do is leave us alone."
"Do you think we can? Avoid it, I mean."
I sighed. "I hope the Tea Party movement can save the day politically, but I doubt that they will be able to overcome the inertia of the two-party stacked deck. For some of those in the permanent political class, it is in their interest to provoke violence. `Let no good crisis go unexploited,` as a White House chief of staff would say. For these people, especially if they see they are about to lose power, they may think that it is in their interests to burn the American equivalent of a Reichstag or two, or three. The fault is ours, for we LET them shove us back for seventy-five years with not a single shove back. Why should they expect it now? You can't really blame them for being who they are. Such people have existed throughout history. You might as well blame a rattlesnake for biting your child when you knew the rattler was living under your porch for years and yet you did nothing about it. The blame is yours. That's what Ben Franklin was saying when he replied, `A Republic, madam, if you can keep it.'" We -- us, our fathers and grandfathers -- have let them get away with stealing our property and our liberty for generations. Now, with our backs to the wall and no further room to give and still call ourselves free, we must deal with the rattlesnakes and eradicate them or, like St. Patrick, drive them into the sea."
"So we need a revolution?"
No, I replied, we need a RESTORATION. It is they who are the revolutionaries, overthrowing the Founders' Republic and the Constitution bit by bit, in Gramscian style. (I then had to explain Gramsci, but I shall not do it here. Look it up yourself, if you need to.) We simply want what the Founders wanted -- a Republic of ordered liberty, the rule of law, the right to property, free markets and free men (and women, of course).
"Well, I don't think they're going to get it. I think we'll have to end up shooting them."
Perhaps, I said, if they have time to get around to it.
"What do you mean?"
"Deficit spending, mountainous debt, printing money to monetize that debt -- the politicians of both parties have handed us a future that represents an existential threat to the country and its people. This administration may not get around to sparking a civil war by tyrannical misadventure, we may have a breakdown of civil order (which, in its worst form could be WORSE than civil war) because the whole house of cards collapses, suddenly and at once. And then it will be up to the Three Percent to save what can be saved."
"Why just the Three Percent?"
"Because we are the only ones with the numbers and the firearms and because we think like citizens not serfs."
He gave me a quizzical look.
"Citizens take responsibility for the safety of the community. They do this because they understand that this must be done in order to secure the safety of themselves and their own families. And we will do it because it is necessary, not because somebody pays us to. Look, have you ever come across a car wreck right after it happened?"
"Yeah. Twice."
"What did you do?"
"Well, I stopped and ran down to the wrecks to see if I could help. I . . ."
I interrupted him. "Stop right there. I don't need the details. Here's my point. You stopped, you ran down to see if you could help. That makes you a citizen. There's no better example of citizenship than that. And while you were down in the ditch, you had plenty of onlookers, didn't you?"
"Yeah."
"Was there a big crowd close around the wrecked car?"
"No. Once it was just me and a couple of guys who were riding in my pickup and the other time it was just me and another guy who stopped."
"Okay, that's the number of citizens on the scene. The guys who came down with you who had been riding in your truck, they came down because of your leadership probably, right?
"Well, I don't know, they probably would have stopped themselves."
"But you led them down into that ditch, right?"
"Yeah."
"So you are not just a citizen, but a leader of citizens. But there were lots of people who stopped but only called 9-1-1, or people who just stopped and stared or people who kept on driving without doing anything, right?"
"Yeah."
"Serfs. They drove on because it `wasn't any of their business' and most of the ones who called 9-1-1 instead of calling and THEN coming down to see if they could help did so because they have been conditioned that only `authorities' are competent to handle an emergency, right? Some of them may be doctors or nurses. The driver or his passengers may be bleeding to death, but if it were up to the serfs the victims would simply bleed to death before they stirred their stumps to help, right?"
"Yeah, I see your point."
"Serfs. They are not citizens because they take no personal responsibility. They are serfs. Willing, trained serfs. You took responsibility, so you are a citizen."
"Well, I had some training in the Marines and I went to some classes after I got out . . ."
I cut him off again. "My point exactly. A citizen anticipates trouble and thus when he or she is called upon, they are not only willing to act, but competent to do so. Citizenship is a duty, a responsibility that is willingly assumed, along with the rights and liberties attendant to it. The problem is that the public schools no longer turn out citizens in this country, they are in fact serf factories because that`s the way that the `powers that be' want it. If you are a tyrant-wannabe, having to deal with citizens is at best inconvenient and at worst dangerous to your liberty- and property-stealing plans. Serfs are much more to their liking."
"But," I continued, "look beyond a simple car wreck to a car wreck times a hundred thousand like Katrina. The police did a number of things there that were in their way just as educational to anybody who paid attention as Waco was at the federal level. Some cops ran home to save Momma and the kids, leaving their posts and their duty. Some cops joined the looters. Other cops violated their oaths to the Constitution and either shot and killed innocents like some occupying army or disarmed the law-abiding, leaving them helpless against the rapists, thieves and murderers that they didn't disarm -- again, like an occupying army. When the whole SYSTEM breaks down, God forbid, Americans, being a practical people, will make their own arrangements. They will work with those law enforcement officers who will stand by their duty and their oaths but, more to the point, they will resist at the muzzle of a rifle (or, I should say, at the muzzles of THREE MILLION RIFLES) anybody -- feds, cops or freelance criminals -- who attempts to `Katrina' them."
I told him that a nationwide social and economic breakdown will see the revival of citizens' militias in a huge way -- instantly. However, tragedies will come to those who fail to see the need NOW for preparation, training and that "well regulated" stuff the Founders were talking about. (And if you haven't studied how the language has changed since the Second Amendment was written, you don't understand that "well regulated" meant at the time that the militia, the armed citizenry, should be trained, disciplined, with arms of common caliber and agreed upon tactics.)
"That's still going to be a bunch of tragedies," he observed.
"Yes, it is," I answered. "But the question is, do you want to be one of them?"
"No, I don't," he answered.
"Then, " I said with a grin, "you've just become a Three Percenter, whether you were before or not."
"How do I join?"
"The Three Percent is NOT an organization. That would be too easy to kill, too simple to discredit. The Three Percent is an idea, a movement of like-minded people, and that is something that is far harder to kill. Almost impossible, really. You know the Oath, the one that you swore before God when you joined the Marines?"
He allowed that he remembered it, every word of it.
"Then just remember that the oath is not to a man, no matter how popular he is, or to a political party, or to an administration even if a majority of the people gave them the power by voting, but to an idea -- the Founders' Republic of God-given liberties and natural rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution. Remember that it is a life-time oath and has no expiration date. Once you realize those things and remember them every morning when you look yourself in the mirror, you're a citizen. Everything after that is tougher -- organizing your friends and neighbors; preparing and training for the future date when (not if) your military competence and that of your friends will be tested; getting your County Sheriff used to working with armed citizens; and finally, being awake, aware and ready to stand in the gap, come the Waco hell of tyranny or the Katrina high water of natural or social disaster. It is tougher, way tougher, but it must be done."
He nodded his head, thinking. And in his eyes I saw his decision, if indeed there had ever been a question.
"Welcome," I told him, "to the Three Percent." We shook hands, and then fell to talking of his like-minded friends, how big an area of operations he thought he and they could protect, of beans and bullets, and equipment and training.
I hope this has given y'all a better idea of what the Three Percent is, and what it isn't. What it boils down to is this: the Three Percent are the folks the Founders counted on to save the Republic when everyone else abandoned it.
And we will.
There will be no more free Wacos and no more free Katrinas.
For we are the Three Percent.
We will not disarm.
You cannot convince us.
You cannot intimidate us.
You can try to kill us, if you think you can.
But remember, we'll shoot back .
We are not going away.
We are not backing up another inch.
And there are THREE MILLION OF US.
Your move, Mr. Wannabe Tyrant.
Your move.
Brickmaster
Senior Member
By Mike Vanderboegh
The other day I ran into a fellow who thought he was a Three Percenter but he wasn't sure. "Yeah," he said, "but what does that Three Percent thing MEAN?" I explained more or less thusly:
Three Percent: The number of colonists who took the field to actively fight against King George III.
Three Percent: The number of America's armed citizenry today who can be counted on to actively resist any future restrictions on firearms, or indeed, any more attacks on the God-given natural liberties which are codified in the Constitution (and some that aren't).
There are, give or take, a hundred million firearms owners in this country. Three percent of that number is three million. So when we speak of the Three Percent, we are talking about three million firearms owners who are politically active, but no longer count on politics alone to defend their liberties. These three million have watched as our traditional right to arms has been attacked and diminished on the federal level for more than 75 years since the National Firearms Act of 1934. In that time, in almost every instance when a new firearm restriction has been proposed, we have lost the political argument and being law-abiding we have allowed ourselves to be shoved back, grumbling. The Three Percent are simply saying, "No more." One more restriction on our natural liberties -- the liberties the Founders did their best to secure -- and we will resist.
"But what do you mean, `resist?'" he asked.
Very simple, I replied, we refuse to obey. If our right to peaceably assemble and personally trade our privately owned arms with other law-abiding citizens is restricted -- the alleged "gun show loophole" --- we will stage our own gun shows and dare the ATF to do anything about it. If the manufacture of ammunition is tampered with by further government restrictions -- punitive taxes, "microstamping," or other such nonsense -- we will make it ourselves or smuggle it in and dare the federal authorities to do anything about it. If more classes of firearms are added to their onerous bans -- fifty caliber rifles for example -- we will manufacture our own and dare them to do anything about it. We can only be oppressed with our consent, for we are armed. And WE DO NOT CONSENT.
"They will shoot you," said my new friend, immediately getting to the crux of the matter.
"Yes, they must," I replied reasonably. "It is what they do. That's the ultimate threat behind every federal infringement. `Do this or we will shoot you.` But THEY must fire first. There must be no Fort Sumters. THEY must cede the moral high ground."
"What happens then?"
"Then," I replied, "we shoot back in righteous self-defense. There will be no more free Wacos for them. The only thing is, to the greatest extent possible, we must then take the civil war to the people who started it and who direct it -- the political mandarin class who issue the orders -- the elected officials, the unelected bureaucracy and their tyranny's cheerleaders in the intelligentsia and press who lay the predicate for it. `No more free Wacos' will have personal implications for those people."
"Isn't that a threat?"
"It is a promise, but I hope they take it as a very real threat against their future misconduct. If they do, and they begin to internalize the fact that the people who they have shoved around these past seventy-five years are finally ready to shove back -- and that it is THEY who will be personally `shoved back' -- then maybe, just maybe, we can avoid a shooting war. Like Mama Liberty says on my blog, `If they don`t want a civil disturbance, why don`t they quit disturbing us?' We`re not trying to tell them what to do and how to live, THEY are trying to force their beliefs on us -- and take our liberty and property in the bargain while demanding we pay for the privilege of being robbed. If they don`t want trouble all they have to do is leave us alone."
"Do you think we can? Avoid it, I mean."
I sighed. "I hope the Tea Party movement can save the day politically, but I doubt that they will be able to overcome the inertia of the two-party stacked deck. For some of those in the permanent political class, it is in their interest to provoke violence. `Let no good crisis go unexploited,` as a White House chief of staff would say. For these people, especially if they see they are about to lose power, they may think that it is in their interests to burn the American equivalent of a Reichstag or two, or three. The fault is ours, for we LET them shove us back for seventy-five years with not a single shove back. Why should they expect it now? You can't really blame them for being who they are. Such people have existed throughout history. You might as well blame a rattlesnake for biting your child when you knew the rattler was living under your porch for years and yet you did nothing about it. The blame is yours. That's what Ben Franklin was saying when he replied, `A Republic, madam, if you can keep it.'" We -- us, our fathers and grandfathers -- have let them get away with stealing our property and our liberty for generations. Now, with our backs to the wall and no further room to give and still call ourselves free, we must deal with the rattlesnakes and eradicate them or, like St. Patrick, drive them into the sea."
"So we need a revolution?"
No, I replied, we need a RESTORATION. It is they who are the revolutionaries, overthrowing the Founders' Republic and the Constitution bit by bit, in Gramscian style. (I then had to explain Gramsci, but I shall not do it here. Look it up yourself, if you need to.) We simply want what the Founders wanted -- a Republic of ordered liberty, the rule of law, the right to property, free markets and free men (and women, of course).
"Well, I don't think they're going to get it. I think we'll have to end up shooting them."
Perhaps, I said, if they have time to get around to it.
"What do you mean?"
"Deficit spending, mountainous debt, printing money to monetize that debt -- the politicians of both parties have handed us a future that represents an existential threat to the country and its people. This administration may not get around to sparking a civil war by tyrannical misadventure, we may have a breakdown of civil order (which, in its worst form could be WORSE than civil war) because the whole house of cards collapses, suddenly and at once. And then it will be up to the Three Percent to save what can be saved."
"Why just the Three Percent?"
"Because we are the only ones with the numbers and the firearms and because we think like citizens not serfs."
He gave me a quizzical look.
"Citizens take responsibility for the safety of the community. They do this because they understand that this must be done in order to secure the safety of themselves and their own families. And we will do it because it is necessary, not because somebody pays us to. Look, have you ever come across a car wreck right after it happened?"
"Yeah. Twice."
"What did you do?"
"Well, I stopped and ran down to the wrecks to see if I could help. I . . ."
I interrupted him. "Stop right there. I don't need the details. Here's my point. You stopped, you ran down to see if you could help. That makes you a citizen. There's no better example of citizenship than that. And while you were down in the ditch, you had plenty of onlookers, didn't you?"
"Yeah."
"Was there a big crowd close around the wrecked car?"
"No. Once it was just me and a couple of guys who were riding in my pickup and the other time it was just me and another guy who stopped."
"Okay, that's the number of citizens on the scene. The guys who came down with you who had been riding in your truck, they came down because of your leadership probably, right?
"Well, I don't know, they probably would have stopped themselves."
"But you led them down into that ditch, right?"
"Yeah."
"So you are not just a citizen, but a leader of citizens. But there were lots of people who stopped but only called 9-1-1, or people who just stopped and stared or people who kept on driving without doing anything, right?"
"Yeah."
"Serfs. They drove on because it `wasn't any of their business' and most of the ones who called 9-1-1 instead of calling and THEN coming down to see if they could help did so because they have been conditioned that only `authorities' are competent to handle an emergency, right? Some of them may be doctors or nurses. The driver or his passengers may be bleeding to death, but if it were up to the serfs the victims would simply bleed to death before they stirred their stumps to help, right?"
"Yeah, I see your point."
"Serfs. They are not citizens because they take no personal responsibility. They are serfs. Willing, trained serfs. You took responsibility, so you are a citizen."
"Well, I had some training in the Marines and I went to some classes after I got out . . ."
I cut him off again. "My point exactly. A citizen anticipates trouble and thus when he or she is called upon, they are not only willing to act, but competent to do so. Citizenship is a duty, a responsibility that is willingly assumed, along with the rights and liberties attendant to it. The problem is that the public schools no longer turn out citizens in this country, they are in fact serf factories because that`s the way that the `powers that be' want it. If you are a tyrant-wannabe, having to deal with citizens is at best inconvenient and at worst dangerous to your liberty- and property-stealing plans. Serfs are much more to their liking."
"But," I continued, "look beyond a simple car wreck to a car wreck times a hundred thousand like Katrina. The police did a number of things there that were in their way just as educational to anybody who paid attention as Waco was at the federal level. Some cops ran home to save Momma and the kids, leaving their posts and their duty. Some cops joined the looters. Other cops violated their oaths to the Constitution and either shot and killed innocents like some occupying army or disarmed the law-abiding, leaving them helpless against the rapists, thieves and murderers that they didn't disarm -- again, like an occupying army. When the whole SYSTEM breaks down, God forbid, Americans, being a practical people, will make their own arrangements. They will work with those law enforcement officers who will stand by their duty and their oaths but, more to the point, they will resist at the muzzle of a rifle (or, I should say, at the muzzles of THREE MILLION RIFLES) anybody -- feds, cops or freelance criminals -- who attempts to `Katrina' them."
I told him that a nationwide social and economic breakdown will see the revival of citizens' militias in a huge way -- instantly. However, tragedies will come to those who fail to see the need NOW for preparation, training and that "well regulated" stuff the Founders were talking about. (And if you haven't studied how the language has changed since the Second Amendment was written, you don't understand that "well regulated" meant at the time that the militia, the armed citizenry, should be trained, disciplined, with arms of common caliber and agreed upon tactics.)
"That's still going to be a bunch of tragedies," he observed.
"Yes, it is," I answered. "But the question is, do you want to be one of them?"
"No, I don't," he answered.
"Then, " I said with a grin, "you've just become a Three Percenter, whether you were before or not."
"How do I join?"
"The Three Percent is NOT an organization. That would be too easy to kill, too simple to discredit. The Three Percent is an idea, a movement of like-minded people, and that is something that is far harder to kill. Almost impossible, really. You know the Oath, the one that you swore before God when you joined the Marines?"
He allowed that he remembered it, every word of it.
"Then just remember that the oath is not to a man, no matter how popular he is, or to a political party, or to an administration even if a majority of the people gave them the power by voting, but to an idea -- the Founders' Republic of God-given liberties and natural rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution. Remember that it is a life-time oath and has no expiration date. Once you realize those things and remember them every morning when you look yourself in the mirror, you're a citizen. Everything after that is tougher -- organizing your friends and neighbors; preparing and training for the future date when (not if) your military competence and that of your friends will be tested; getting your County Sheriff used to working with armed citizens; and finally, being awake, aware and ready to stand in the gap, come the Waco hell of tyranny or the Katrina high water of natural or social disaster. It is tougher, way tougher, but it must be done."
He nodded his head, thinking. And in his eyes I saw his decision, if indeed there had ever been a question.
"Welcome," I told him, "to the Three Percent." We shook hands, and then fell to talking of his like-minded friends, how big an area of operations he thought he and they could protect, of beans and bullets, and equipment and training.
I hope this has given y'all a better idea of what the Three Percent is, and what it isn't. What it boils down to is this: the Three Percent are the folks the Founders counted on to save the Republic when everyone else abandoned it.
And we will.
There will be no more free Wacos and no more free Katrinas.
For we are the Three Percent.
We will not disarm.
You cannot convince us.
You cannot intimidate us.
You can try to kill us, if you think you can.
But remember, we'll shoot back .
We are not going away.
We are not backing up another inch.
And there are THREE MILLION OF US.
Your move, Mr. Wannabe Tyrant.
Your move.
Comments
I thought we'd seen it here first.
Nothing much more to be said, just action to take.
SOON.
NOW.
YEARS AGO..
IOW, all talk and no action. And while your group only talks, other people in the real world are out there protesting, writing letters, sending emails, working to elect politicians who hopefully will act responsiblely, working to constantly remind policiticans that it is the citizens who own this country and it is from the citizens that their power comes from, and on and on.
By contrast, the only thing I see you and yours do is to gripe, complain, find fault, throw insults around, and urge people to do nothing but hope for civil war.
I wonder what makes a man tick...knowing full well he has turned his back on the greatest generation that ever existed...the Founding generation ?
Hear the Quisling blowwww ?????
I wonder what makes a man tick...knowing full well he has turned his back on the greatest generation that ever existed...the Founding generation ?
Geez, Highbail, you should write plays. You are better with words than was Shakespeare. Course you are pretty weak about actually putting your words into action; other that responding to reasonable criticism with your insults.
NONE that take my words SERIOUSLY can do anything else except begin preparing for the hard times that are coming.
EVERY MAN that lays in a stock of food, weapons, ammo, water filters, etc., is doing his part to preserve the greatest country that ever existed.
He is, in short, doing a MANS' job...unlike those crawling on their bellies begging politicians for relief.
It is LONG past the time to beg politicians. It is time to see to your hole card.
However...PLEASE, Fox...ignore my words. Continue to live in that Disneyland for Dummies most live in.
And we all know at least one for sure who aint worth the paper the founders used to wipe their *........Just sayin[:)]
Oyeah JMHO
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
Ive asked the same question.
quote:Originally posted by zink G95
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
Ive asked the same question.
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
WEll, there are a few exceptions, but generally I have failed to see any evidence that the CA's do much but complain. And how could it be otherwise if you TRULY buy into the ideals of being a CA? The #1 Canary *, HIghbail, preaches that American society is so badly lost that nothing can be done to save it and he is merely waiting (and hoping) for society to either come crashing down or devolve into a shooting civil war. In either case after that happens, HIghbail and his band believe they will be able to rebuild America into what they believe it should be. Course, they forget that there will be other groups trying equally hard to rebuild America into what they believe it should be.
So, in regards to what the Canary * (come on and freely use that name spelled out. It was freely choose by the Canary *. Don't be ashamed of it. Be loud and proud) do, why would they want to do anything since HIghbail says nothing can at present be done that will work short of civil war.
My words ARE action, fox..all by themselves.
NONE that take my words SERIOUSLY can do anything else except begin preparing for the hard times that are coming.
EVERY MAN that lays in a stock of food, weapons, ammo, water filters, etc., is doing his part to preserve the greatest country that ever existed.
He is, in short, doing a MANS' job...unlike those crawling on their bellies begging politicians for relief.
It is LONG past the time to beg politicians. It is time to see to your hole card.
However...PLEASE, Fox...ignore my words. Continue to live in that Disneyland for Dummies most live in.
WEll, I sure hope your electricity company never has to shut down. If you ever lose power for your computer, your "action words" will have to shut down for awhile.
Hey, what about that great speech of yours where you blame everyone, except your Canary *, for having let our country go down the tubes for the last 40 years or so. I love how you can actually post something that trys to put the blame on most everyone here and they lap it up like a cat drinking milk and beg for more.
quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248 G94
quote:Originally posted by zink G95
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
Ive asked the same question.
Can anyone explain what in the eff this means? Im out of the loop I guess. Im not sure I like anyone with the name "wood" guru makes me wonder what type of wood they prefer.
For some, it is nothing more than a geographic reference or a 'title' to flaunt a couple of times a year.
For others, it runs much deeper than the surface.
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
Another way to explain myself is that HIghbail preaches that unless you follow him, his ways and his advice, then you are yourself the enemy of the constitution. And one of his bits of advice is that society is too far gone for anyone to work within the system to try and save it. In HIghbail's vision, the only thing that will save America is that when it collaspes, we all go to civil war and assume HIghbail and his type will win.
So, in short, if any Canary * IS ACTUALLY doing anything to try and save this country, then that Canary * is violating HIghbail's guidelines and sooner or later will be recognized as "the enemy" just as I am. People should be happy I am around. That way HIghbail and gang doesn't have as much time to look around and find other "traitors" to the constitution.
However, that particular option you mention...and mention...and MENTION...is MINE..and mine alone. The other CAs don't say much about it...allowing me the freedom to express my beliefs as I see fit.
Most of them still, near as I can figure, attempt to interact with the corrupted slimy sleazebags that pass for politicians and nra officials today.
As for 'doing nothing'..it is patently OBVIOUS that YOU are not preparing yourself OR your loved ones for hard times...else you simply could not make this false statement. Preparing is a FULL TIME JOB..if you are doing it right.
Wasting time on corrupt politicians is exactly what they want you to do...suckerbait.
TrFox, I cannot articulate my thoughts as well as most on this forum but you are just plain retarded for the most part.
Thanks for the info. I did not know that. I will be sure to alter my behavior because of your opinion.
Odd thing there, Fox. You accuse us of being a gang or mob... marching to one drum.
However, that particular option you mention...and mention...and MENTION...is MINE..and mine alone. The other CAs don't say much about it...allowing me the freedom to express my beliefs as I see fit.
Most of them still, near as I can figure, attempt to interact with the corrupted slimy sleazebags that pass for politicians and nra officials today.
As for 'doing nothing'..it is patently OBVIOUS that YOU are not preparing yourself OR your loved ones for hard times...else you simply could not make this false statement. Preparing is a FULL TIME JOB..if you are doing it right.
Wasting time on corrupt politicians is exactly what they want you to do...suckerbait.
Well, I have already explained your view about it is worthless to try and work within the system. You have even expressed contempt for those who do. So exactly how can you feel brotherhood for any of your fellow Canary * who violate your advice and work within the system?
Please answer the question.
They KNOW that the government is out of control.
They do NOT support gun laws.
They UNDERSTAND that they obey the laws of the Beast UNDER DURESS...not eagerly, feeling protected by those laws.
These are honorable men...willing to spit in the eye of the Beast.
They are prepared to wade into the breech..the DAY the Beast decides he will take us on.
They will NOT obey a gun ban.
They are not afraid of their fellow man..feeling that they are strong enough, man enough to take care of THEMSELVES in the event of some insane kook twisting off.
Those, trfox, are men I want standing beside me when the Beast cannot wait any more. If they decide today to 'work within the system'...I can damn well depend upon them to not sell me out....unlike you and the nras.
The difference between the Canary * and you, fox ? Let me count only a few ways...
They KNOW that the government is out of control.
They do NOT support gun laws.
They UNDERSTAND that they obey the laws of the Beast UNDER DURESS...not eagerly, feeling protected by those laws.
These are honorable men...willing to spit in the eye of the Beast.
They are prepared to wade into the breech..the DAY the Beast decides he will take us on.
They will NOT obey a gun ban.
They are not afraid of their fellow man..feeling that they are strong enough, man enough to take care of THEMSELVES in the event of some insane kook twisting off.
Those, trfox, are men I want standing beside me when the Beast cannot wait any more. If they decide today to 'work within the system'...I can damn well depend upon them to not sell me out....unlike you and the nras.
You are dodging my question by hiding behind a flurry of insults. As usual.
You are a hypocrite if you try and have it both ways HIghbail. You and yours can't rag on me for me trying to work withing the system to try and get our constitutional rights back and then just because somebody joins up with your Canary * bunch of clowns, and they admit they also work within the system (know full well, as I do, that our government is way out of control) somehow they are a more pure, better person than I am. The main difference between me and those CA's I just described is that I don't blindly fall in behind you and blindly march off the cliff.
When the time comes people will emerge. There is no doubt about it.
If that time comes, there won't be a choice.
THEY operate from a bed-rock no-compromise position, fox; your/nra position is quicksand.
There IS no dichotomy in my statements concerning you/nra and they.
Only in your fevered imagination is there ANY semblance of you and they being 'made of the same stuff'.
The main difference between me and those CA's I just described is that I don't blindly fall in behind you and blindly march off the cliff.
The only thing that's went over the cliff is liberty.
She is barely hanging onto the edge, and hasn't fallen yet.
A few are trying to effect a rescue; others are attempting to stomp her fingers.
You got away with Waco and Ruby Ridge......
Lexington, anyone ?
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The difference between the Canary * and you, fox ? Let me count only a few ways...
They KNOW that the government is out of control.
They do NOT support gun laws.
They UNDERSTAND that they obey the laws of the Beast UNDER DURESS...not eagerly, feeling protected by those laws.
These are honorable men...willing to spit in the eye of the Beast.
They are prepared to wade into the breech..the DAY the Beast decides he will take us on.
They will NOT obey a gun ban.
They are not afraid of their fellow man..feeling that they are strong enough, man enough to take care of THEMSELVES in the event of some insane kook twisting off.
Those, trfox, are men I want standing beside me when the Beast cannot wait any more. If they decide today to 'work within the system'...I can damn well depend upon them to not sell me out....unlike you and the nras.
You are dodging my question by hiding behind a flurry of insults. As usual.
You are a hypocrite if you try and have it both ways HIghbail. You and yours can't rag on me for me trying to work withing the system to try and get our constitutional rights back and then just because somebody joins up with your Canary * bunch of clowns, and they admit they also work within the system (know full well, as I do, that our government is way out of control) somehow they are a more pure, better person than I am. The main difference between me and those CA's I just described is that I don't blindly fall in behind you and blindly march off the cliff.
tr, I admire your tenacity and appreciate that you choose to try to apply logic to this arguement. I, myself find it tedious to argue with this collective group of dogmatic doomsayers. They will probably go to their graves sorry that their vision of conspiracy and social failure never gave them an excuse to shoot their toys at 'bad' people. I just hope none of them climb a tower when they get tired of waiting.
tr, It's people like you that I'm pleased to stand beside now and know that it's people like you that are much more the true patriots than the seditious vermin that attack you. Thanks for your efforts.
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
It is known professionally as "projection".
That and "doing something" in his world is supporting that which brought us here. Fool.
I hope that I have the honor of giving my life to defend it.
Doug
REJECTED Canary * #1.
There is absolutely no doubt that ONE set of values is indeed seditious.
Either those demanding a return to the Republic, and 'Shall Not Be Infringed' ;
Or those bowing the knee to an overreaching government, gun control, and actions that subjugate citizens.
History will record the final details.
Either we will regain freedom in this country...or the forces of darkness will do what they have done for EVERY CULTURE IN HISTORY...destroy it.
It is quite obvious that we are facing each other across lines drawn in blood 200-odd years ago.
The forces of a big evil government versus the scattered tattered remnants of freedom, personal responsibility and American ideals.
So what else is new, anyway ?
He will require you to have those weapons. You cannot fight evil with a soft word.
I do not wish to be raptured.
I despise the evil that walks this earth pretending to be good, just, decent men, as they revel in their destruction of everything a man OUGHT to hold dear.
I wish to be used right here on this earth to right those wrongs..to fight the evil that surrounds us.
That won't cut it. The time for letters, emails and "hopefully"
electing good politicians is long past. The idea that someone
running for office and spending 10-100 times the annual salary that
office pays is ridiculous. Restoration, as quoted above, is the only
answer. Will it take a revolt or revoulution to reach that goal?
Possibly. I am proud to be labeled among that number who will resist
any further appropriation of our liberties.
"protesting, writing letters, sending emails, working to elect politicians who hopefully will act responsiblely, working to constantly remind policiticans that it is the citizens who own this country and it is from the citizens that their power comes from, and on and on."
That won't cut it. The time for letters, emails and "hopefully"
electing good politicians is long past. The idea that someone
running for office and spending 10-100 times the annual salary that
office pays is ridiculous. Restoration, as quoted above, is the only
answer. Will it take a revolt or revoulution to reach that goal?
Possibly. I am proud to be labeled among that number who will resist
any further appropriation of our liberties.
Your voice reaches hundreds.
Though difficult to find, there ARE good men to get into office whose voices will reach millions.
And I say again- we will need good leaders when the dust settles.
Now you say that they too will become corrupt.
After the sacrifice to get it done, I believe that we will keep closer tabs on our leaders.
I am a man. I am subject to ALL the vices, weaknesses and failures of mankind.
So am I.
I do not wish to be raptured.
I despise the evil that walks this earth pretending to be good, just, decent men, as they revel in their destruction of everything a man OUGHT to hold dear.
I wish to be used right here on this earth to right those wrongs..to fight the evil that surrounds us.
quote:Originally posted by woodguru
quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248 G94
quote:Originally posted by zink G95
What I don't understand, TR, is why do you think all we CA's do is on this forum?
Ive asked the same question.
Can anyone explain what in the eff this means? Im out of the loop I guess. Im not sure I like anyone with the name "wood" guru makes me wonder what type of wood they prefer.
You're #94 in the gerbil list
I'm #21.
Whatever it really means I have no idea, but "Richard Gere" comes to mind.
Listen.
If Gabriel's trumpet is sounding and God is coming down from the sky
I am hopeful he will take more than the wife and daughter.
If I be left behind,
you will know I falterd.
Then I would stand with the all lukewarm/wannabe Christians left.
I hope to be raptured before the invasion of Isreal comes from the North.
I fear only God
for only He
can send me to Hell.
Everything else is a walk in the park compared to that.
Label me a Christian.
+1 Me too. I may not be a good one. But I am a believer. Fortunately for me His grace is sufficient, or I would be in much trouble.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
I am a man. I am subject to ALL the vices, weaknesses and failures of mankind.
I do not wish to be raptured.
I despise the evil that walks this earth pretending to be good, just, decent men, as they revel in their destruction of everything a man OUGHT to hold dear.
I wish to be used right here on this earth to right those wrongs..to fight the evil that surrounds us.
I feel the same way HB. I want to right wrongs, and punish traitors.
The time WILL come, as the Good book predicts, and this may be the time. If not, I will get to right wrongs, If so, His will be done and He right the wrongs. Either way, they get what's coming to them.
Clouder..
My words ARE action, fox..all by themselves.
NONE that take my words SERIOUSLY can do anything else except begin preparing for the hard times that are coming.
EVERY MAN that lays in a stock of food, weapons, ammo, water filters, etc., is doing his part to preserve the greatest country that ever existed.
He is, in short, doing a MANS' job...unlike those crawling on their bellies begging politicians for relief.
It is LONG past the time to beg politicians. It is time to see to your hole card.
Highball, I'm with you on these fronts. Good post here and above! Many thanks.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain