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Sorry, another question on rifles
spectre7
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I was prepared to plunk down the money on a Belgian Ak, and what can I not help but noticing as I scross through the AtlatnicFirearms "auctions"? A whole range of AR-type rifles that fall within the same price range.
So what's the word? Do the sub-1000$ ones jam constantly? Eat only high-dollar ammo and spurn surplus or what? specifically, I noticed the Cavalry Arms CAV-15 PATROL, Vulcan Arms CAR 16, and the Olympic Arms Pcr GI AR15. Anyone think they'd be worth it as opposed to the AK?
As far as use, I'm looking for something to spend a great deal of time shooting recreationally, and of course I would like it to have the 'potential' to use for self defense if some strange circumstance ever provided for it to be more appropriate than the 12 gauge or my sidearm.
So what's the word? Do the sub-1000$ ones jam constantly? Eat only high-dollar ammo and spurn surplus or what? specifically, I noticed the Cavalry Arms CAV-15 PATROL, Vulcan Arms CAR 16, and the Olympic Arms Pcr GI AR15. Anyone think they'd be worth it as opposed to the AK?
As far as use, I'm looking for something to spend a great deal of time shooting recreationally, and of course I would like it to have the 'potential' to use for self defense if some strange circumstance ever provided for it to be more appropriate than the 12 gauge or my sidearm.
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wow, I had no idea. Thanks, I was ready to plunk down money. And yeah, meant Bulgarian; got the wires crossed on that one. So your view of their rifles as 'ca ca'; that extends to there AKs as well I'd imagine.
Hmm, definately gonna find a different source then. Your input is much appreciated.
A word about all AK-type weapons...They're all doo-doo! For less than $1000 you can get a quality(like a Quality/Bushmaster) AR-Rifle that is much more accurate than the best AK ever made, more versatile(can be reconfigured with new uppers into all kinds of weapons from highly tactical M-4s to highly accurate match rifles) AKs are functional and reliable weapons for third-world armies and guys who like to make a lot of noise at the range. Dont fall into the trap of thinking you can buy into a "quality AK" The weapon is designed to take maximum advantage of poor quality control, poor maintainance, bad ammo etc. The less you pay for an AK, the more you get for your money. In the interest of full disclosure I'd like to admit right up front that I hate all SKS, AK type weapons and therefore may be slightly biased.
AKs have been kicking our M1/M14/M16 * for fifty years. That's because the need for a Sergeant York/range accurate combat shoulder weapon is a myth deservedly sixty years dead. Perhaps you are not familiar with the Bulgarian and Hungarian AKs, the PolyTech Legend, the Valmet or the Galil. Too bad.
A word about all AK-type weapons...They're all doo-doo! For less than $1000 you can get a quality(like a Quality/Bushmaster) AR-Rifle that is much more accurate than the best AK ever made, more versatile(can be reconfigured with new uppers into all kinds of weapons from highly tactical M-4s to highly accurate match rifles) AKs are functional and reliable weapons for third-world armies and guys who like to make a lot of noise at the range. Dont fall into the trap of thinking you can buy into a "quality AK" The weapon is designed to take maximum advantage of poor quality control, poor maintainance, bad ammo etc. The less you pay for an AK, the more you get for your money. In the interest of full disclosure I'd like to admit right up front that I hate all SKS, AK type weapons and therefore may be slightly biased.
Well it's obvious you're only interested in punching holes in paper. Save your money; take a stick, walk up to that target, and jab it through the bullseye.
If you're looking for a weapon that WONT get you killed in a combat situation, take the AK47/SKS.
My previous signature was incredibly obnoxious.
AAHhhhhh, the Galil, perhaps the finest weapon I have ever had the pleasure of shooting.
My friend has one and other than getting a slight bump on the nose from the charging handle(I am left handed) it is a dream to shoot.
I only wish I could afford one, but alas I cannot and they are like hens teeeth to find nowadays anyway.
To be quite honest I was shocked when we broke it down to clean it, ITS AN AK for petes sake. A high dollar AK to be sure but an AK nonetheless.
Man I do love that rifle
JuJu(drooling)
John
Some of you need to remember that Red Dawn was just a movie and that the chance of fighting a guerilla cival war in our lifetime is slim to none. I am willing to bet everything I own that 99% of all AKs, SKS, AR15s (and CLONES) ande all other military style guns will only ever see combat of the paper/appliance nature and IF there ever was a situation in this country where you NEED to be better armed that the US Army most of you would wet yourselves faster than a commie can yell BOO!
Some of y'alls is just plain funny
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Hey Spectre how much cash you got to spend?
What do you think you are going to do just buy one?
I have 5 evil rifles right now and am still not happy. Here's 3 of them...
So DWS those Belgian, I mean Bulgarian, AK's that Atlantic Firearms is selling are Ca-Ca?
Regards,
So DWS those Belgian, I mean Bulgarian, AK's that Atlantic Firearms is selling are Ca-Ca?
That is correct. The Gordon Tech/Blue Ridge guns with the tack-welded, 80K round Steyr barrels and preban furniture were/are fine guns; Atlantic's slopped-together parts guns using commercial, aftermarket plastic furniture and lame-* muzzlebrakes are crap.
I've been hearing that there are 2 Arsenals which is the good one?
Regards,
What do you think you are going to do just buy one?
Well, at first I was just going to replace my SAR1, but then I saw some of the other AK variants out there and my interests are piqued. Ideally, I would like to avoid spending more than 700; 5-6 would be perfect.
I don't want to just run out and buy the ak-type gun I find; that's how I ended up with a Jennings many years ago [B)]
By picking the brains of peeps here and reading ak47.net I hope to avoid a similar decision.
quote: Where do I find one of them Gorden Tech guns? Is that the same as Arsenal?
My searches have only yieled one for sale so far..well two actually; in a bundle. Individual cost would be about 1250.00; so it's about out of the desired range. Now that I've got the skinny on Atlantic, I'm going ot have to find a different source. Pity too; I really like the black furniture on the 101.
btw, I've admired your pics before drobs, and you actually gave me some advice right before I got my first SAR1 and talked me into making the actual purchase. It was a fun gun, and made quite a gift for my bud.
Some of you need to remember that Red Dawn was just a movie and that the chance of fighting a guerilla cival war in our lifetime is slim to none. I am willing to bet everything I own that 99% of all AKs, SKS, AR15s (and CLONES) ande all other military style guns will only ever see combat of the paper/appliance nature and IF there ever was a situation in this country where you NEED to be better armed that the US Army most of you would wet yourselves faster than a commie can yell BOO!
Wishful thinking. I estimate we've got another 20 years of stability before this nation breaks up into warring city-states. We're gonna need lots of cheap, effective firepower to ward off the hordes of terrorist communist zombies.
My previous signature was incredibly obnoxious.
Regards,
On your mark-get set- go away!!
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long..."
Atlantic Firearms sells ca-ca guns? They always seemed to have some decent stuff assembled by Vector (not Vulcan) Arms. Was thinking about one of their UZI rifles actually.
Put a Vector next to an IMI model A or B and see what you think.
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long..."
Regards,
DWS, now that you are predicting future gun values, do you have any stock tips?
Buy Merck
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
I thought maybe the big differences were in term of value/cost rather than outright performance. Glad you set me straight. thanks dude.
Buy Merck
No way, Pfizer; then I can buy an AR AND a nice AK. [:D]
Spectre7-Not just an investor, but a user...hehe
quote:or the Galil
AAHhhhhh, the Galil, perhaps the finest weapon I have ever had the pleasure of shooting.
My friend has one and other than getting a slight bump on the nose from the charging handle(I am left handed) it is a dream to shoot.
I only wish I could afford one, but alas I cannot and they are like hens teeeth to find nowadays anyway.
To be quite honest I was shocked when we broke it down to clean it, ITS AN AK for petes sake. A high dollar AK to be sure but an AK nonetheless.
Man I do love that rifle
JuJu(drooling)
I understand its just a souped up AK with nice tolerances and good sights. Mr. Galil was even clever enough to install a built in beer cap opener into the rifle (no joke. . .so the troops wouldn't damage the gun by using the mag lips or some other part to pry open their brews).
But except for a few elite units, even the Israelis don't use it. Too pricey, too heavy, not as adaptable, etc.
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/m16vsak47.htm
At one point the scuttle was that it was too expensive, but the fact is, the M16 platform is more versatile,a nd
I think I'm going to take DWS's advice and pursue the Gordon Tech Rifles, and failing that I'll look into the SAM 7 about which I've read several good reviews.
I'm pretty sure I can get you a deal on an SA-7, but importation and shipping would most definetly be your problem.........[:)]
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most of you would wet yourselves faster than a commie can yell BOO!
Some of y'alls is just plain funny
And what exactly did you do the first time you realized "oh (expletive deleted) those are BULLETS"!!!!!!?
Allen
MAK 90 or WASR around $300 is more agreeable. If you what to pay to accessorize it, then go for it.
Cousin has a Colt H-Bar. There is no comparison. The H-Bar is far and away better. It is a superior shot. No "collectors" AK would compare to it, but an AK at 300-400 what the heck. It is a good recreational shot at that price.