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dheffley
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Flag Etiquette
STANDARDS of RESPECT
The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:
* The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
* The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
* The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
* The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
* The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
* The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.
The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.
When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.
Note: Most American Legion Posts regularly conduct a dignified flag burning ceremony, often on Flag Day, June 14th. Many Cub Scout Packs, Boy Scout Troops, and Girl Scout Troops retire flags regularly as well. Contact your local American Legion Hall or Scout Troop to inquire about the availability of this service.
Displaying the Flag Outdoors
When the flag is displayed from a staff projecting from a window, balcony, or a building, the union should be at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half staff.
When it is displayed from the same flagpole with another flag - of a state, community, society or Scout unit - the flag of the United States must always be at the top except that the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for Navy personnel when conducted by a Naval chaplain on a ship at sea.
When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
When flown with flags of states, communities, or societies on separate flag poles which are of the same height and in a straight line, the flag of the United States is always placed in the position of honor - to its own right.
..The other flags may be smaller but none may be larger.
..No other flag ever should be placed above it.
..The flag of the United States is always the first flag raised and the last to be lowered.
When flown with the national banner of other countries, each flag must be displayed from a separate pole of the same height. Each flag should be the same size. They should be raised and lowered simultaneously. The flag of one nation may not be displayed above that of another nation.
Raising and Lowering the Flag
The flag should be raised briskly and lowered slowly and ceremoniously. Ordinarily it should be displayed only between sunrise and sunset. It should be illuminated if displayed at night.
The flag of the United States of America is saluted as it is hoisted and lowered. The salute is held until the flag is unsnapped from the halyard or through the last note of music, whichever is the longest.
Displaying the Flag Indoors
When on display, the flag is accorded the place of honor, always positioned to its own right. Place it to the right of the speaker or staging area or sanctuary. Other flags should be to the left.
The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of states, localities, or societies are grouped for display.
When one flag is used with the flag of the United States of America and the staffs are crossed, the flag of the United States is placed on its own right with its staff in front of the other flag.
When displaying the flag against a wall, vertically or horizontally, the flag's union (stars) should be at the top, to the flag's own right, and to the observer's left.
Parading and Saluting the Flag
When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers. When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute.
The Salute
To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.
The Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem
The pledge of allegiance should be rendered by standing at attention, facing the flag, and saluting.
When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note. The salute is directed to the flag, if displayed, otherwise to the music.
The Flag in Mourning
To place the flag at half staff, hoist it to the peak for an instant and lower it to a position half way between the top and bottom of the staff. The flag is to be raised again to the peak for a moment before it is lowered. On Memorial Day the flag is displayed at half staff until noon and at full staff from noon to sunset.
The flag is to be flown at half staff in mourning for designated, principal government leaders and upon presidential or gubernatorial order.
When used to cover a casket, the flag should be placed with the union at the head and over the left shoulder. It should not be lowered into the grave.
STANDARDS of RESPECT
The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:
* The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
* The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
* The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
* The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
* The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
* The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.
The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.
When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.
Note: Most American Legion Posts regularly conduct a dignified flag burning ceremony, often on Flag Day, June 14th. Many Cub Scout Packs, Boy Scout Troops, and Girl Scout Troops retire flags regularly as well. Contact your local American Legion Hall or Scout Troop to inquire about the availability of this service.
Displaying the Flag Outdoors
When the flag is displayed from a staff projecting from a window, balcony, or a building, the union should be at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half staff.
When it is displayed from the same flagpole with another flag - of a state, community, society or Scout unit - the flag of the United States must always be at the top except that the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for Navy personnel when conducted by a Naval chaplain on a ship at sea.
When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
When flown with flags of states, communities, or societies on separate flag poles which are of the same height and in a straight line, the flag of the United States is always placed in the position of honor - to its own right.
..The other flags may be smaller but none may be larger.
..No other flag ever should be placed above it.
..The flag of the United States is always the first flag raised and the last to be lowered.
When flown with the national banner of other countries, each flag must be displayed from a separate pole of the same height. Each flag should be the same size. They should be raised and lowered simultaneously. The flag of one nation may not be displayed above that of another nation.
Raising and Lowering the Flag
The flag should be raised briskly and lowered slowly and ceremoniously. Ordinarily it should be displayed only between sunrise and sunset. It should be illuminated if displayed at night.
The flag of the United States of America is saluted as it is hoisted and lowered. The salute is held until the flag is unsnapped from the halyard or through the last note of music, whichever is the longest.
Displaying the Flag Indoors
When on display, the flag is accorded the place of honor, always positioned to its own right. Place it to the right of the speaker or staging area or sanctuary. Other flags should be to the left.
The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of states, localities, or societies are grouped for display.
When one flag is used with the flag of the United States of America and the staffs are crossed, the flag of the United States is placed on its own right with its staff in front of the other flag.
When displaying the flag against a wall, vertically or horizontally, the flag's union (stars) should be at the top, to the flag's own right, and to the observer's left.
Parading and Saluting the Flag
When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers. When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute.
The Salute
To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.
The Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem
The pledge of allegiance should be rendered by standing at attention, facing the flag, and saluting.
When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note. The salute is directed to the flag, if displayed, otherwise to the music.
The Flag in Mourning
To place the flag at half staff, hoist it to the peak for an instant and lower it to a position half way between the top and bottom of the staff. The flag is to be raised again to the peak for a moment before it is lowered. On Memorial Day the flag is displayed at half staff until noon and at full staff from noon to sunset.
The flag is to be flown at half staff in mourning for designated, principal government leaders and upon presidential or gubernatorial order.
When used to cover a casket, the flag should be placed with the union at the head and over the left shoulder. It should not be lowered into the grave.
Comments
Its a piece of cloth, people. Get over it.
I've never liked the semi-religious "flag code".
Its a piece of cloth, people. Get over it.
I'd rather not go there too far, but seeing the Stars & Stripes raised over a building that had been stormed and occupied by Mexifornians [who would have replaced our flag with theirs] might make you feel differently.
quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
I've never liked the semi-religious "flag code".
Its a piece of cloth, people. Get over it.
AGREE 150%. If the country no longer represents what it used to stand for and what its ideas were, the flag itself is pretty much just a piece of cloth. Same as your T-shirt. No more, no less. The ideals on which the country was founded are dead. The flag, no longer has any significance, since the country and "we the sheeple" have lost their way.
It's a reminder to those of us who know what this country use to be like, and something to strive for. People like you are a disgrace to the country and should just move to Mexico where you'll be a benefit to a country that doesn't give a rats * about the nation they live in.
Slippery slope, sir.
quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
I've never liked the semi-religious "flag code".
Its a piece of cloth, people. Get over it.
AGREE 150%. If the country no longer represents what it used to stand for and what its ideas were, the flag itself is pretty much just a piece of cloth. Same as your T-shirt. No more, no less. The ideals on which the country was founded are dead. The flag, no longer has any significance, since the country and "we the sheeple" have lost their way.
You'd better be glad that you're not saying this to my face, as you would have your * features rearranged. I've spent over 25 years defending my country and our flag, and would not hesitate.
Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and stay there.
I suspect you will gone from here before long - good riddance.
I think that those who show contempt for our Country and its' Symbols are scum.
I don't believe the people on this Forum who hold our Country in disdain have any understanding of the history of the Country, and the Sacrifices of those who offered their lives in defense of those folks.
Too bad that they can hide behind the Constution and Bill of Rights.
For God and Country,
Doug
quote:Originally posted by Tigerclaw_x
quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
I've never liked the semi-religious "flag code".
Its a piece of cloth, people. Get over it.
AGREE 150%. If the country no longer represents what it used to stand for and what its ideas were, the flag itself is pretty much just a piece of cloth. Same as your T-shirt. No more, no less. The ideals on which the country was founded are dead. The flag, no longer has any significance, since the country and "we the sheeple" have lost their way.
You'd better be glad that you're not saying this to my face, as you would have your * features rearranged. I've spent over 25 years defending my country and our flag, and would not hesitate.
Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and stay there.
I suspect you will gone from here before long - good riddance.
Amen...180A! Danny, if there was one thing that could send me to jail, it would be the descration of our Flag. I fought for this flag and I'm half the man I should be today b/c of it. I'm here to tell you, this half a man can still put a hurting on most folks who consider themselves to be a whole man. I will not be able to stand and watch someone disrespect our Flag. Too many of my brothers did not come home defending it...all of our brothers.
I'd like to bring up another issue...our pathetic representatives...Congress! I think their actions border on treason...and aiding and abedding the enemy...it should be a crime deserving of the ultimate sacrifice.
What does it say when a beautiful woman is barely wearing a bikini that's, in essence, the American flag? Or a Harley that's painted to look like a flying flag? Kind of difficult to instill respect and reverence for the flag itself - no?
It goes further. There are G-strings, bikinis, swim suits, panties, jackets, Speedos, durags, socks, boxers, T-shirts, hats, jean pockets, * patches, sandals, sneakers, motorcycles, belt buckles, pins, handkerchiefs, sweaters, tool boxes, etc., etc., etc. all in the form and fashion of the stars and stripes. Regrettably, our Old Glory is the inspiration for the marketing of all things not related to the flag itself.
What does it say when a beautiful woman is barely wearing a bikini that's, in essence, the American flag? Or a Harley that's painted to look like a flying flag? Kind of difficult to instill respect and reverence for the flag itself - no?
You are right slowhand...I don't believe these folks intend disrespect...but they just don't know...or understand. I am afraid that we are too far down the slippery slope to fix this problem...and I'm thankful that time is short. I look forward to Christ's return. I hope it is before the ultimate demise of America.
If people want to be d!@#heads and burn it, wear it, swear at it, or otherwise act like a * to it, on it, or towards it, let them behave as children do. Their actions will come back to haunt them. It's called karma.
It came back to haunt John Kerry.
It came back to haunt Jane Fonda.
It came back to haunt all those who placed fashion over propriety, decency, and manners.
I guarantee you, it is easier to find the names of the men who raised the flag at Iwo Jima (Franklin Sousley, Harlon Block, Michael Strank, John Bradley, Rene Gagnon, and Ira Hayes) than it is to find the name of the chowderhead who first burned an American flag.
We know who Audie Murphy is, but can anyone tell me who it was that spit on the flag at last year's WTO protest?
Everyone with an ounce of brains knows Sgt. York's tale - do you know the tale of the hippy f*** who sought to grab headlines by soiling Old Glory?
Those who choose to demean the flag do so in anonymity - they and what they stand for will never be known or recognized for anything. They are less than trivia - they are nothing.
Do not let them upset you even in the slightest - it's what they want. To give into their desires is to surrender all that you stand for and believe in.
Let's not give them the satisfaction.
The flags important, but not so important that we forget ourselves or what it stands for.
If people want to be d!@#heads and burn it, wear it, swear at it, or otherwise act like a * to it, on it, or towards it, let them behave as children do. Their actions will come back to haunt them. It's called karma.
It came back to haunt John Kerry.
It came back to haunt Jane Fonda.
It came back to haunt all those who placed fashion over propriety, decency, and manners.
I guarantee you, it is easier to find the names of the men who raised the flag at Iwo Jima (Franklin Sousley, Harlon Block, Michael Strank, John Bradley, Rene Gagnon, and Ira Hayes) than it is to find the name of the chowderhead who first burned an American flag.
We know who Audie Murphy is, but can anyone tell me who it was that spit on the flag at last year's WTO protest?
Everyone with an ounce of brains knows Sgt. York's tale - do you know the tale of the hippy f*** who sought to grab headlines by soiling Old Glory?
Those who choose to demean the flag do so in anonymity - they and what they stand for will never be known or recognized for anything. They are less than trivia - they are nothing.
Do not let them upset you even in the slightest - it's what they want. To give into their desires is to surrender all that you stand for and believe in.
Let's not give them the satisfaction.
EMM...we may never agree on everything...but sir, I think we probably agree on more things that we disagree on...it might be close, but I think the scales are in our favor. You may be on the other side of the political perspective...but you are a light to the left...if only they might see...
I guess I should clarify. I agree with the idea you are trying to get across, but I don't think I could stand by and watch while some desecrated our flag...and I believe it should still be a crime.
Doug
My opinion, for what it's worth.
American flag made in China?
To those who disgrace it or defile it, they do not deserve to live under it or be protected by it. Turn your back on the flag, and turn your back on this country.
My opinion, for what it's worth.
dheff,
I agree, but let's keep it amongst friends.[:D]
Those mental gimps are looking to get a rise out of you and other decent people - and I wouldn't give them the sweat off of my feet, much less the satisfaction of having gotten under my skin.[;)]
But not so much so that I will grant these retards their fondest wish to see me and other decent Americans get angry. They thrive on the attention, as negative as it may be, that they receive. It legitimizes their actions within their own feeble minds.
I'm not saying it shouldn't anger anyone - I don't like it one bit. Too many good men and women have sacrificed their all not just for that flag, but what it stands for as well.
But I refuse to give in to the emotional blackmail of these half-wits and malcontents who think I am so easy that I can be manipulated in any shape, form, or fashion by their actions. They want confrontation, they want aggression - it gives them a sense of control to brag to their friends that they upset someone else on cue.
My faith in the flag is stronger than their half-@$$ed stunts. It pains them more to be ignored and have no one pay attention to them than it pains us to see Old Glory disrespected or desecrated.
Don't fall for their petty little manipulations. My anger at them is enough to convince me to NOT give them what they want.
Stay cool and ignore them. Theirs are the actions of barking mutts and nothing more. We will continue to show the flag the respect it deserves and retain our dignity while they wallow in the filth of their own making and are forgotten.
And it really feels good.
Doug