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All Cops Should Quit

WarMongerWarMonger Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2006 in General Discussion
All police officers in this country should quit their jobs in protest. On the news is yet another video of a black man, leading police on a high speed chase, trying to ram them off the road, then he flees on foot, violently resists arrest and the police officers use force to restrain him. Guess what ? POLICE BRUTALITY !!! The officers have been suspended pending an investigation. If I was a cop I wouldnt work under those conditions. I mean, everyday you go to work to and people are trying to kill you and you are just trying to protect innnocent people from these scum bags. So how does society show its apprecitation when you have to fight for your life ? They fire you, brand you a racist and a thug. Society needs to wake up and give police officers more leeway.
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Warmonger! What about all the OOOOPSIES the cops pull, should those be let slide?? If what those cops did was correct, they will be exonerated. should there not be some sort of controll on their actions??

    I know in many cases, they even should act more strongly, but with the rash of "Brutality" as of late, no wonder people are questioning their actions..
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    jimkanejimkane Member Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    but the perp was black.... it HAD to be racially motivated
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    bsallybsally Member Posts: 3,165
    edited November -1
    Did you see the video? Cops like that give other cops the bad name. Three cops on top of the guy, already on the ground. They procede to kick and punch the guy. Numerous times. Then, just for good measure it seems, a fourth comes over and REPEATEDLY stomps on the guys ankle. Completely uncalled for. I will agree with you on the fact it is not a racial thing, though.
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    WarMongerWarMonger Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    everything i saw on the video looked legal and justifiable
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    shoff14shoff14 Member Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bsally
    Did you see the video? Cops like that give other cops the bad name. Three cops on top of the guy, already on the ground. They procede to kick and punch the guy. Numerous times. Then, just for good measure it seems, a fourth comes over and REPEATEDLY stomps on the guys ankle. Completely uncalled for. I will agree with you on the fact it is not a racial thing, though.


    do you release that those three cops had to go to the hospital?
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    restoreguyrestoreguy Member Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You "bleeding hearts" make want to run out and PUKE..!! I have been there and when you have been through what those LEO's were subjected to...then the thug wants to resist being arrested...you go into "survival mode"....because he still wants to fight...!! Classic...we'll deal with the oooopsies when they occur... it is not a perfect world....as the left would have us believe...
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    WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,834 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know if I would take career advice from you warmonger.
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Little late to deal with an OOOPSIE, when its over.. I did a three year stint with a small town police force,, You couldnt give me that job there or in a big city ever again..again it boils down to SOME actions are necessary and Some Actions are not necessary..and there must be some sort of control on which is which..
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    warriorsfanwarriorsfan Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just read a story on Drudge that an Air Force MP home on leave from Iraq was shot by police after a brief traffic chase in which he was the passenger. He was allegedly reaching for his own badge and military ID when he was shot. Also, the incident was caught on tape by a civilian. Of course, until the tape is released it is impossible to know exactly what occured, but it certainly doesn't sound good.
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    zipperzapzipperzap Member Posts: 25,057
    edited November -1
    Sometimes the heat of battle 'makes' men do strange and terrible things.
    Perhaps there are just to many video cams out there.[;)]
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    warriorsfanwarriorsfan Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Michigan State Trooper Jay Morningstar was recently aquitted of manslaughter for killing a drunk and disorderly homeless man in Detroit. He and his partner responded to a call of an intoxicated homeless man causing a disturbance, when they arrived the man had his pants around his ankles and was naked from the waist down. He refused to comply with the Trooper's orders, refused to show his hands, and then advanced towards the troopers with hands concealed. He was fatally shot by Trooper Morningstar, although it was later discovered that the homeless man was unarmed. In a trial filled with racial overtones (Morningstar is white, the homeless man was black), Trooper Morningstar was aquitted of all charges, although he now faces a $10 million wrongful death suit filed by the homeless man's family. (I wonder where they were when he was alive, and why they didn't help him if he was homeless?)
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    NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It only takes one incident by a bad Officer to tarnish the image of the others. This has been played to death and I assume it will continue to be. As long as I come home safe at the end of my shift and have done one thing to help someone, that takes a much bigger toll on me than all the bad people I deal with.
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    RUGERGUNZRUGERGUNZ Member Posts: 5,638 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll make it simple for everyone

    DO NOT RUN!!!!!





    If you have done nothing wrong, dont run. How many innocent lives did the scumbag endanger on his little juant in his vehicle.
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    CA sucksCA sucks Member Posts: 4,310
    edited November -1
    might want to say do not reach for anything either, even an ID, untill the cops ask you for it.

    That Airfore MP story is not the first time I have heard of people being shot by cops for pulling out their ID.

    Perhaps cops are too trigger happy, perhaps too many criminals have gun that make the cops trigger happy, just don't reach for anything when confronted by a cop, especially when its a volatile situation like a car chase, especiall when the cop has a gun already drawn.

    The other one I heard about a while back was some guy (might have been black I forget) locked his keys in his house, and was trying to break in the front door. A cop comes by, sees the guy, shouts at him or something, the guy turns around and proceeds to pull out his wallet(presumably to show who he is and that he lives there, drivers licences do have your address on them). He gets shot and killed by the cop.
    Might be an over reaction on the cop. Ive seen comments online at other sites from british people implying the cops here are trigger happy because of americas gun culture and because every yokel has a gun. In reality there are only what, 60 million(legal?) guns for 250 million people, with the majority of gun owners owning more than one gun and being in rural areas. Most people in urban/Sub-urban america are not armed, but the criminals still are.

    But if it looks like you are attempting to break into a home(especially late at night), and a cop stops you, do not turn around and reach into your coat for something, you may very likely get shot.
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    RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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    dolfandolfan Member Posts: 4,159
    edited November -1
    Police officers are trained professionals. There is no excuse for what they did. They are trained to control their emotions and adrenaline. If they can't, they need to find another line of work.

    What I saw on the video appears to be police brutality.
    If not, then at least its police stupidity.
    Cops need to realize that video cameras and phones with video/photos are everywhere. Not to mention news helos buzzing above.
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    rongrong Member Posts: 8,459
    edited November -1
    you go into "survival mode"....

    I've been in "survival mode" a couple of
    times but I think they would have
    survived without kicking the hell out of him!
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    Blade SlingerBlade Slinger Member Posts: 5,891
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
    Sometimes the heat of battle 'makes' men do strange and terrible things.
    Perhaps there are just to many video cams out there.[;)]
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    pointman821pointman821 Member Posts: 872
    edited November -1
    warmonger, although your support for our profession is appreciated, cops cannot quit ( enmasse) or go on strike or anything like that. unlike a normal vocation, we get arrested for malfeasance in office if we try somehitng like that. aint that great... btw dolfan...i dont know what your vocation is but if someone walked into your buisiness and slapped the mess out of you do you think you could control your emotions and adrenalin. find me one person who can absolutely control that aspect of themselves in this country. sorry, but striking back is human nature, justified or not.
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    Blade SlingerBlade Slinger Member Posts: 5,891
    edited November -1
    Always a few around that make it through the screening, but they usually dont last, one way or the other. I for one know they all are not all bad cops.
    Investigater's Father [:)]quote:Originally posted by dolfan
    Police officers are trained professionals. There is no excuse for what they did. They are trained to control their emotions and adrenaline. If they can't, they need to find another line of work.

    What I saw on the video appears to be police brutality.
    If not, then at least its police stupidity.
    Cops need to realize that video cameras and phones with video/photos are everywhere. Not to mention news helos buzzing above.
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    say it aint so 2say it aint so 2 Member Posts: 67 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've helped many cops that were involved in chases,fights,shooting, stabbings and the like from these nutmegs. I have hardely ever once seen the bad guy be punished for what he has done to the leo,, instead some * that our tax dollars are paying for get the punishment reduced. You never hear of the perp getting what they deserve,. That is untill they get into the back of my medic with tinted windows or so i've heard[:D][:D][:D]
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    Sav99Sav99 Member Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not that I'm a cop but, I was called a racist by a customer the other day because I had to decline his application for a loan at our bank. It was the most moronic display I have ever seen. It seems the race card can be played at will.
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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,050 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have not seen the video, but I have been part of a 6 man dog pile on a inmate that was high on PCP. We lost! The guy already had a broken arm and a broken leg, but he still had to be tasered to get him under control.

    I guess you had to be there to appreciate what really went on.
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    Margaret Thatcher

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    fishermanbenfishermanben Member Posts: 15,370
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dano
    I'm not saying that the bad guys don't deserve a little "attitude adjustment" every now and then.

    It's just just there's a time and place for everything. The heat of the moment isn't a good one.......[;)]

    Oh....and for all of you that are anti-cop / LE.....this is where you chime in and start flaming me.....[:D]


    Have you ever heard of a cop intentionally slamming his brakes so the perp's face smashes against the security screen. If I was a cop, I think that would be a fun part of the job.

    Ben
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dano
    I can say that, cause like most all cops, I've been "there and done that", at least once. [;)]



    Are you still telling those hokey "I'm a cop" stories?
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    trc313trc313 Member Posts: 3,475
    edited November -1
    Maybe we should rethink police chases in general. Just about everytime there is a chase bad things follow.
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    divecopdivecop Member Posts: 778 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What did the guy do? Did he rape, rob, murder, molest a child, rob a
    store or bank, or just ran a stop sign. Video doesn't show anything
    but what the news media wants you to see. What would you do if some
    scumbag did something to your family or loved one. Justification
    would come easy to want to beat the crap out of the perp.
    Just about a week ago, a mental case was tazed and died from it.
    The third in our department since the tazer gun was issued. Now
    everyone screaming to stop using them. O K let's just call John Q
    public out and let them try to talk to some criminal or nut to
    give up peacefully. Since trying to talk to the guy failed and he
    got violent. So instead of beating him or shooting him they tazed
    him and unfortunatly he died. O H well, it was his choice.
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    bigride203bigride203 Member Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I saw it live while getting ready for work. The cops got a little carried away but the man was resisting. Once he was cuffed, nobody hit him. He also went speeding past school buses and rammed cops...generally not caring if he killed anybody. The suspect was black...so was one of the cops. So what? In my book, it wasn't brutality...but it was stupid. They just made this scumbag into a martyr. Three cops were treated for injuries...broken wrist...separated shoulder...neck injury. Evidently, they weren't the only ones being "brutal." Suspect was treated and released...right into jail. The bible says it plain...you reap what you sow. The suspect got what he gave.
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    morsecodemorsecode Member Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It cracks me up that they think they're going to get away. Don't they watch COPS? In any pursuit the police multiply by twos and fours until you are severely outnumbered. Then, they wind up facing 10 more serious charges than the original reason they were pulled over for. I don't get it.
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    nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,005 ******
    edited November -1
    "Everybody knows if the cops have to chase you down, they are bringing an *-kicking with them." Chris Rock [:D]

    That used to be SOP, unwritten, but universal. If you had to chase someone, either on foot or in a car, at the end of the chase, you "broke him from the habit." [;)]

    Can't do that anymore. [:(]

    I didn't see the video, but I can tell you that punching someone who is face down is not unusual. He is not complying with commands, and we want those hands out from under and behind his back. I have seen men who were too strong for me to force his hands out from under, so pain compliance was necessary.

    It works like this: You tell him what you want him to do, then if he refuses, you do something unpleasant but non-injurious until he does comply.
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    WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,834 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:If you had to chase someone, either on foot or in a car, at the end of the chase, you "broke him from the habit."

    Nunn, I love ya man!
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    Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    I can remember the days of azzkickinattheendofthechase. Even if the bad guy had to be treated at the ER, he accepted what was done and didn't complain. He knew what was going to happen when he started his little drag race and/or track meet!

    I'm not saying it was right, that's just the way things were done.

    Looking at the video, two of the officers were trying to cuff the guy. The other two? I don't know what they were doing other than kicking the suspect. Why were they kicking him? I don't know the answer to that, but they better have one.
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    cbr954cbr954 Member Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the first question to be asked is.... Does a van with an incorrect liscense plate justify a drawn out high speed chase? After a couple miles of it being clear the van wasn't going to stop, I would say no. The public safety should outway "pulling" over a van with an incorrect liscense plate period. My two cents...
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    bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cbr954
    I think the first question to be asked is.... Does a van with an incorrect liscense plate justify a drawn out high speed chase? After a couple miles of it being clear the van wasn't going to stop, I would say no. The public safety should outway "pulling" over a van with an incorrect liscense plate period. My two cents...


    ....and if that van had bad plates to hide the fact they just abducted your daughter to use as a porno slave would you feel the same????

    Do NOT run from the cops
    DO not RUN from the cops.
    Do not run FROM the cops
    Do not run from the COPS.
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    RUGERGUNZRUGERGUNZ Member Posts: 5,638 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    cbr954,

    Using your analogy, why would anyone stop? If you know that if you run that they arent going to follow you, why stop?

    Dont make sense to me.



    If a cop wants to pull you over, STOP. If you dont stop, then pay the consequences.
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    COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...I saw it as it happened on fox, with a few second delay.
    The guy was FIGHTING the whole time. The cops were doing their best to get his hands out from under him, they could not. They then begin to inflict a little "incentive" as in stop bleening resisting,on him, still was fighting them. There were about FIVE LEO"s pulling,hitting him trying to get his hands.


    ...The LEO that the news keeps saying stopped, and walked away when he saw the news chopper, is bull poop. What happened was that this particular cop tried grabbing the jerks left leg to hold, and got the poop kicked out of him for his efforts. Now this had been going on now for about 4 min or so, a long time in that situation. After the cop was kicked, he stepped away several feet,to get out of kicking reach of this slime, and happened to look up at the chopper. He did not just look up and say "oh gee, I am being abusive, and its on tape, think I'll step away".

    ...Said officer then went back into the melee, that was STILL taking place because the scumbag was still fighting! This cop went up and planted a well placed "stomp: on the guys lower calf,...but he was STILL fighting them, said cop then stepped back.

    ...I saw nothing but LEO's trying to subdue a creep that had intentionly ran into a patrol car, then sped off, a high speed chase
    endangering civies and law enforcement alike. When they finally boxed him in, he rammed another patrol car, then got out an ran when nothing left to do...putting their lives at risk, while trying to protect YOU and ME from the POS...PITHY?...nope...[^]

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    DaBowMan18DaBowMan18 Member Posts: 2,962
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RUGERGUNZ
    I'll make it simple for everyone

    DO NOT RUN!!!!!





    If you have done nothing wrong, dont run. How many innocent lives did the scumbag endanger on his little juant in his vehicle.
    PERFECTY STATED
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    ll_manll_man Member Posts: 160 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WM:
    I believe the philosophy here is that once the police have a perp under control, they have no business executing vengence or violence against that person. I agree that violence is appropriate in order to save lives and/or for self defense, but the police are held to a higher standard than you or I, and MUST BE SO, because they enforce the law.
    The moment the police (READ: Government) starts taking violent dispositions with the members of society (I know, the guy was a scumbag), they lose credability and thus contribute to social unrest.
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    COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    II man,
    quote:The moment the police (READ: Government) starts taking violent dispositions with the members of society (I know, the guy was a scumbag), they lose credability and thus contribute to social unrest

    ...I really could give a flying bleen what that segment of society thinks...[:(!], those that feel that way are motherbleeners too. amd they can all bite me...[:(!]

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    BlckhrnBlckhrn Member Posts: 5,136
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
    Sometimes the heat of battle 'makes' men do strange and terrible things.
    Perhaps there are just to many video cams out there.[;)]
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    So, outlaw video cams? I personally hope there is one rolling the next time I disagree with a LEO. They ain't always right but 90% of the time they are hiding behind a badge.
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