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"Militia"
River Rat
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I've had it with the ongoing effort to redefine the word "militia" to mean a lawless group or private army bent on doing bad things to the government. It is now almost equal to "domestic terrorist."
This is what happens when you stop teaching the Constitution in schools.
This is what happens when you stop teaching the Constitution in schools.
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This doesnt mean Joe redneck and his merry band of loonies playing soldier in the back woods of the Carolinas...
Spoken like a real Tory.
I've had it with the ongoing effort to redefine the word "militia" to mean a lawless group or private army bent on doing bad things to the government. It is now almost equal to "domestic terrorist."Funny how that happens. A couple of dozen groups post hate-filled anti-government manifestos on the Internet, call for the overthrow of the US government, and taking things by force of arms, and suddenly everyone thinks you're a whack job...
quote:This is what happens when you stop teaching the Constitution in schools.Or when a bunch of really stupid people get together and decide that planning attacks on local law enforcement and/or government officials is a good idea.
Make no mistake that is their only motivation.. When they hold the purse strings they hold control...
There is always freaks. The MAJORITY of people arent, the other millionth of a percent are negligable. If People want to assemble without turncoats in thier ranks they should have that right.
Giving up the right of this countries defence to a professional army answerable only to the dictator is a bad Idea. The military answers to the behest of one man and one small group that are easily corrupted, manipulaterd and bought. This has given us a whole bunch of needless wars and tens if not houndreds of millions dead..
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This doesnt mean Joe redneck and his merry band of loonies playing soldier in the back woods of the Carolinas...
Nope,
Tell us, just what does it mean......
Don
Samuel Adams
I have come in contact with several "Militias" throughout the USA. Everyone I have seen has been a bunch of Beer Bellied, racist, rednecks, playing war, and spouting hate , and waving the American and the christian flag.. Now those are what I call really "REGULATED" [xx(][xx(]
And I'm really sure you have came in contact with all of them![}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
Just because you seem to get around bad element people does not mean that all are like that![;)][:)]
Those swastikas and tattoos sort of stand out from the crowd. Same with standing in a public place advocating the violent overthrow of government whether on biblical or political grounds. Probably not good form. Much better to quietly move to preserve one's rights in a peaceful manner with the thought of force only as a last resort, yet still be prepared just in case.
As to a well regulated militia... We all have our own ideas I guess. Anything from a bunch of armed citizens who eat yogurt and void their digestive systems on a regular basis to strictly government controlled organizations who's membership is composed solely of constipated conscripts totally ignorant of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I expect our government prefers the latter and anarchists prefer the former. I further expect our founders to have meant something somewhere toward the middle of these extremes.
GRD, I have visited my share of said Militias, and of the dozen or so I have seen throughout the USA in the last 50 years they have been all the same, led by some hate monger. Sorry if the truth hurts you. I am sure that somewhere there are a couple that might be what we all would have them to be. Patriotic, red blooded, american boys that really believe in the constitution and not some radical loony belief of superiority.[:(]
Really. You have been visiting militias for the past 50 years?
Don
How long do you think we would last if the "good guys" were disarmed? The true law-abiding citizen? I know that the sword, the baseball bat w/ nails driven in the end, the axe, the pike, the mace, are all good weapons, but against a gun? Nah. Jackboots would have you in no time.
quote:This doesnt mean Joe redneck and his merry band of loonies playing soldier in the back woods of the Carolinas...
Spoken like a real Tory.
Do you support what the subject of this thread was (allegedly) attempting to do?
GRD, I have visited my share of said Militias, and of the dozen or so I have seen throughout the USA in the last 50 years they have been all the same, led by some hate monger. Sorry if the truth hurts you. I am sure that somewhere there are a couple that might be what we all would have them to be. Patriotic, red blooded, american boys that really believe in the constitution and not some radical loony belief of superiority.[:(]
I do not deny that there are many just as you say they are. But I also know of several who are very down to earth and definatly not setting out to look for trouble.
Yes they have plans in place to defend what is right and do hold preperation drills for many different senerios. But there is no alcohol allowed durring those drills and normally those drills are preping for natural disasters and such and not a take over of the government. Also many of the members that I know are LEO's.
DON! not all of us have been setting on our * for the past 50 years.
Please elaborate on your vast experience with militias and all of them being beer drinking slobs.....
Don
I have come in contact with several "Militias" throughout the USA. Everyone I have seen has been a bunch of Beer Bellied, racist, rednecks, playing war, and spouting hate , and waving the American and the christian flag.. Now those are what I call really "REGULATED" [xx(][xx(]
well...in florida that is normal
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
I have come in contact with several "Militias" throughout the USA. Everyone I have seen has been a bunch of Beer Bellied, racist, rednecks, playing war, and spouting hate , and waving the American and the christian flag.. Now those are what I call really "REGULATED" [xx(][xx(]
well...in florida that is normal
Hell, in Florida, that could be a Book Club!
I've had it with the ongoing effort to redefine the word "militia" to mean a lawless group or private army bent on doing bad things to the government. It is now almost equal to "domestic terrorist."
This is what happens when you stop teaching the Constitution in schools.
I agree. These men were not militia and probably only had contact with them a few times or had some literature. Not sure I understand what a sealed warrant means. Will they put the subjects in question under a gag order after they violate their constitutional rights? Looks like the Sheriffs department is involved so they may have an actual state issued warrant for a real reason. But I doubt it with Obama's new thugs.
I covered a wannabe militia movement not associated with MOM here in Montana and the documentary is called The Fire Next Time. Look it up if you want some insight into radical individuals and people who just want what is fair. Project seven was a ploy to kill seen key politicians, lawyers and judges in Kalispell Montana who oversee the Flathead county. The feds and the Sheriff prevented the mission from going full circle. They made the man out to be militia but he was not and did not have any association to the men in the MOM.
They probably just asked Obama for his oath of office and he sent the feds like they did to my buddy RB.
Nick
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
DON! not all of us have been setting on our * for the past 50 years.
Please elaborate on your vast experience with militias and all of them being beer drinking slobs.....
Don
Beer drinking slobs? I could bench you into a whole different jurisdiction ya hair dresser! Not all militia are overweight and drink. Your stereotype defines your level of education.
ADRIAN, Mich. - A Christian militia group was a target of at least one of a series of weekend raids the FBI conducted in Indiana, Michigan and Ohio, a Michigan militia leader says.
The FBI said Sunday that it had conducted raids in the three states, resulting in at least three arrests. Federal warrants were sealed, but a federal law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of those arrested face gun charges and officials are pursuing other suspects. Some of the suspects were expected in court Monday.
Full story here.
http://www.jconline.com/article/20100329/NEWS09/100329001
I have come in contact with several "Militias" throughout the USA. Everyone I have seen has been a bunch of Beer Bellied, racist, rednecks, playing war, and spouting hate , and waving the American and the christian flag.. Now those are what I call really "REGULATED" [xx(][xx(]
Your stereotype and prejudice towards militias indicates to me how well trained you are.
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
DON! not all of us have been setting on our * for the past 50 years.
Please elaborate on your vast experience with militias and all of them being beer drinking slobs.....
Don
Beer drinking slobs? I could bench you into a whole different jurisdiction ya hair dresser! Not all militia are overweight and drink. Your stereotype defines your level of education.
Easy there killer, I am on your side....
Don
I never read anything that said "Well Regulated" means government controled![;)]
Trinity +++
quote:Originally posted by storm6490
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
DON! not all of us have been setting on our * for the past 50 years.
Please elaborate on your vast experience with militias and all of them being beer drinking slobs.....
Don
Beer drinking slobs? I could bench you into a whole different jurisdiction ya hair dresser! Not all militia are overweight and drink. Your stereotype defines your level of education.
Easy there killer, I am on your side....
Don
sorry, took it the wrong way. but i was just giving it back... nothing personal... text is so impersonal...
Who sets the standards for a Militia?
I never read anything that said "Well Regulated" means government controled![;)]
Trinity +++
well, our state constitution sets the standards for our militia and our Governor is the head dick skinner. to me, well regulated means well trained and armed. loyal to the people.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This doesnt mean Joe redneck and his merry band of loonies playing soldier in the back woods of the Carolinas...
that means every able bodied man. black red stupid or smart.. every man.
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
DON! not all of us have been setting on our * for the past 50 years.
Please elaborate on your vast experience with militias and all of them being beer drinking slobs.....
Don
By all means, please do!
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
I have come in contact with several "Militias" throughout the USA. Everyone I have seen has been a bunch of Beer Bellied, racist, rednecks, playing war, and spouting hate , and waving the American and the christian flag.. Now those are what I call really "REGULATED" [xx(][xx(]
And I'm really sure you have came in contact with all of them![}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
Just because you seem to get around bad element people does not mean that all are like that![;)][:)]
Now y'all know how Muslims feel.
Or is the preferred nomenclature "Musloons" or "Islamofascists?"[:D][}:)]
People thought it was an archaic concept until Pearl Harbor. On Dec. 8th, the Territorial Governor of Hawaii was pretty fond of it. It was used again in Oregon, in 1944. Because we now have National Guards to function as Organized Militias for each state, it is rare to see a need for bringing out the Unorganized Militia -- which is all the rest of us.
Anyone interested in this little part of American history might also look into the details of the 1892 Johnson County War. The Wyoming Governor tried to thwart the local sheriff from deputizing the entire community, but he did it anyway. The local dry goods store handed out Winchesters and ammo to the mmen of Buffalo (WY), and they rode off to "stop the invasion." Wish we had more of that thinking today.
I also like the old State Militia concept, used through the Spanish-American War, where anyone who could raise 2,000 men could declare himself Colonel. Teddy R did so with his Rough Riders. The unit was then referred to as a Volunteer Regiment for their home state.
quote:Originally posted by River Rat
I've had it with the ongoing effort to redefine the word "militia" to mean a lawless group or private army bent on doing bad things to the government. It is now almost equal to "domestic terrorist."Funny how that happens. A couple of dozen groups post hate-filled anti-government manifestos on the Internet, call for the overthrow of the US government, and taking things by force of arms, and suddenly everyone thinks you're a whack job...
quote:This is what happens when you stop teaching the Constitution in schools.Or when a bunch of really stupid people get together and decide that planning attacks on local law enforcement and/or government officials is a good idea.
I'm frightened to admit I might agree with you
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Who sets the standards for a Militia?
I never read anything that said "Well Regulated" means government controled![;)]
Trinity +++
well, our state constitution sets the standards for our militia and our Governor is the head dick skinner. to me, well regulated means well trained and armed. loyal to the people.
loyal to which people exactly? In case you didn't notice not everyone in this Country thinks the same
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River Rat Posted - 03/29/2010 : 12:56:28 PM
I've had it with the ongoing effort to redefine the word "militia" to mean a lawless group or private army bent on doing bad things to the government. It is now almost equal to "domestic terrorist."
Plink asked me;
quote:Do you support what the subject of this thread was (allegedly) attempting to do?
I think, perhaps, Plink, in your haste to place me in the same group as cop killers, you forgot which thread you were on.
Not surprising, perhaps, when hate rules the mind...
So...yeah. To answer your question...I do indeed support the original poster and his statement about the militia.
I DESPISE the Beast and the Beast supporters attaching the word 'militia' to every beer swilling pus-gutted crackpot that walks the earth.
NO MILITIA worthy of being called that is planning pre-emptive strikes on law enforcement or ANY branch of government. That simply is NOT ALLOWED by the Constitution.
Naturally, the cowards, the Beast-lovers, and the Kings Men find ANY 'militia' a deadly threat to themselves...simply because they fully understand that they themselves are operating outside that self-same Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This doesnt mean Joe redneck and his merry band of loonies playing soldier in the back woods of the Carolinas...
Unless of course you are a bunch of Muslims. They can and do have all the camps they want right here, in the USA. They are doing more than most any militia I bet!
quote:Originally posted by storm6490
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Who sets the standards for a Militia?
I never read anything that said "Well Regulated" means government controled![;)]
Trinity +++
well, our state constitution sets the standards for our militia and our Governor is the head dick skinner. to me, well regulated means well trained and armed. loyal to the people.
loyal to which people exactly? In case you didn't notice not everyone in this Country thinks the same
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
There are really only 2 classes of people in this country, people who are paying (or who have paid) into the treasury and those who are getting paid from the treasury (with exceptions).
Which one will you be loyal to?
Don
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by storm6490
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Who sets the standards for a Militia?
I never read anything that said "Well Regulated" means government controled![;)]
Trinity +++
well, our state constitution sets the standards for our militia and our Governor is the head dick skinner. to me, well regulated means well trained and armed. loyal to the people.
loyal to which people exactly? In case you didn't notice not everyone in this Country thinks the same
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
There are really only 2 classes of people in this country, people who are paying (or who have paid) into the treasury and those who are getting paid from the treasury (with exceptions).
Which one will you be loyal to?
Don
that's not gonna work...there are plenty of people that pay into the treasury don't support the things that you or I may support
Always believed the 2nd was there to stop the Tyrants. To preserve one's life. To protect and provide for family. Any thing else is just icing.
How long do you think we would last if the "good guys" were disarmed? The true law-abiding citizen? I know that the sword, the baseball bat w/ nails driven in the end, the axe, the pike, the mace, are all good weapons, but against a gun? Nah. Jackboots would have you in no time.
No need for a gun, be still, be quite, blend in, don't smell like a human, have a really sharp knife, and know how to use it. The last man in line is especially vulnerable and will not be missed very quickly. Then you have what you need gun, vest, radio, ammo, equipment, and intel.
quote:Originally posted by *_r_done
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
I have come in contact with several "Militias" throughout the USA. Everyone I have seen has been a bunch of Beer Bellied, racist, rednecks, playing war, and spouting hate , and waving the American and the christian flag.. Now those are what I call really "REGULATED" [xx(][xx(]
And I'm really sure you have came in contact with all of them![}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
Just because you seem to get around bad element people does not mean that all are like that![;)][:)]
Now y'all know how Muslims feel.
Or is the preferred nomenclature "Musloons" or "Islamofascists?"[:D][}:)]
EMM, I have no problems with Muslims per say. I do however have a big problem with "Muslim Extreamists"! And yes there is a very big difference between the two!
But yet even though there is a big difference, because both are primarily of middle eastern desent I do believe that some profileing has to take place of the minority in order to keep the majority safer.