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A godless national cemetary. enforced

scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
edited June 2011 in General Discussion
VA Veterans Cemetery Bans the Words "God," "Jesus" -- Offensive, no Longer AllowedPosted by Randy on June 29, 2011 at 5:30pm
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.VA Veterans Cemetery Bans the Words "God," "Jesus" -- Offensive, no Longer Allowed


This is outrageous. The Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers that they can no longer use the words "God," "God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or in condolence cards. They're "offensive."

Another craven example of the left's war on America. We are not godless.

Are "Jesus" and "G-d" being singled out here? When I called the Houston National Cemetery to inquire, I was told that Arlene Ocasio was off this week (how convenient). I further inquired whether this prohibition includes Allah and was tersely told that "the matter was in litigation" and no comment would be forthcoming (how convenient). I'd like to see them try this with Moe, but I suspect the number of Muslim soldiers in this veterans cemetery is ..... minimal.

In any case, Ocasio should be fired. Immediately. Out. of. control.

VA Cemetery to Veterans: The Word "God," "Jesus" are Offensive, no ... Posted by Aurelius over at Pundit PressThe Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers alike that they can no longer use the word "God,""God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or condolence cards. The word has been deemed 'offensive.'

That is according to local volunteer and veterans groups that work at the cemetery. They are now suing the Cemetery in federal court so that they can use the word God.

To cite one specific example given in the suit, the director of the cemetery, Arleen Ocasio commanded volunteers never to use "God bless you" and "God bless" ever again at the cemetery.

Cheryl Whitfield, founder of Houston National Memorial Ladies, could not simply stand by. "I could've kept my mouth shut and let things happen, but when it comes to standing up for your belief in God and giving comfort to the families, I don't want to regret not saying anything," she said. "We all had to stand up for what we believe in."

Specifically, the suit brought against the cemetery and the Department of Veterans Affairs states that there has been "a widespread and consistent practice of discriminating against private religious speech."

The suit goes on to describe Ms. Ocasio's running of the cemetery:

"The doors remain locked during Houston National Cemetery operating hours, the cross and the Bible have been removed, and the Chapel bells, which tolled at least twice a day, are now inoperative. Director Ocasio only unlocks the chapel doors when meetings or training sessions are held at the building. Furthermore, it is no longer called a 'chapel' but a 'meeting facility.'#8201;"Another man allegedly discriminated against in the suit was Vietnam veteran Nobleton Jones. After reciting the words, "We ask that God grant you and your family grace, mercy and peace" at a burial ceremony, a phrase that he has used for decades, he was told to stop.

"That makes me feel smaller, even after I spent my time in the military, fighting so that people should be able to say that," he said in response. "I did all this for my country and you are going to tell me what I can and can't say?"

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Comments

  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,724 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    shameful behaviour against AMERICANS by a govt employee at a tapayer funded facility.;..fire the b---h
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    strange they would ban GOD from a cemetery. nothing wrong with having THE LORD on your tombstone.




    it must have something to do with karma.
  • wittynbearwittynbear Member Posts: 4,518
    edited November -1
    Then I guess I would break their rules and offend them. I don't care if they get offended and I am sick of just letting it be. These people are going to start getting the living snot beat out of them.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
    who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
    that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
    minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
    will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
    and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have to agree they should be able to say whatever they want during the funeral. it's not an offensive action, and if somebody is 'offended' by what they overhear being said at somebody else's funeral, that's just too frikkin bad.
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 46270
    what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
    who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
    that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
    minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
    will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
    and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
    dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,723 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anyone who would enforce such standards need to be banished from this country, and immediately is not soon enough.
    What's next?
  • WulfmannWulfmann Member Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".[/quote]

    Nein Dummbkopf
    Christianity was considered a "Jewish" religion by the Nazis.
    In 1940 the SS in France made it a point to get to churches first to desecrate them before the regular army got there and make the point this ancient superstition hindered the advancement of National Socialism.

    It was tolerated to a small degree to placate the population but the Nazis only made reference to divine powers abstractly and never is Christianity proclaimed by any Nazi official and certainly not Hitler.

    Please link a quote from Hitler's reign to Jesus Christ. He was fascinated with the occult not the son of God.

    Wulfmann
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    "Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
    Otto von Bismarck
  • NiccoHelNiccoHel Member Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".

    Nein Dummbkopf
    Christianity was considered a "Jewish" religion by the Nazis.
    In 1940 the SS in France made it a point to get to churches first to desecrate them before the regular army got there and make the point this ancient superstition hindered the advancement of National Socialism.

    It was tolerated to a small degree to placate the population but the Nazis only made reference to divine powers abstractly and never is Christianity proclaimed by any Nazi official and certainly not Hitler.

    Please link a quote from Hitler's reign to Jesus Christ. He was fascinated with the occult not the son of God.

    Wulfmann


    http://nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
    edited November -1
    won't they have to use those words in order to ban them?

    Vicious cycle, it seems.

    Maybe that guy should rob a grave and find a brain.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • NiccoHelNiccoHel Member Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Playing the Devil's advocate here, no pun intended, I think the focus of this ban isn't on a prayer during a service or on religious symbols on grave markers, but on the people that volunteer making comments to funeral goers.

    I mean, I know there is nothing but good intentions, but it is kind of odd to tell a parent of a recently buried soldier that they have been "blessed". Blessed with what? A devastating loss? Again, I know that isn't the intent, but it doesn't sound right when you think about it.

    Yeah, they might be comforted to hear that their kid is hanging out with Jesus, but I'd bet they'd be even more comforted to have their kid back. Alive. With them.

    All in all, this really is a stupid ban. Perhaps just telling the volunteers to minimize contact with the bereaved would have been better.
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    On the good side, it looks like the VA is in a losing battle in the courts. In late May, they lost a related case. The federal judge basically just 'splained the Constitution to that Beahtch. Here's hoping you see her soon in the unemployment line or changing sheets at Motel-6.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    quote:Originally posted by 46270
    what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
    who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
    that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
    minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
    will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
    and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
    dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".

    I am making ref to the jews, and the similar effects on the jews, not about christian
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,204 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Righteousness exalteth a nation. Sin is a reproach to any people.
    Provers 14:34
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    it should be up to the relatives to put what they want on his headstone.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    I have to agree they should be able to say whatever they want during the funeral. it's not an offensive action, and if somebody is 'offended' by what they overhear being said at somebody else's funeral, that's just too frikkin bad.




    amen +1
  • FWAdditFWAddit Member Posts: 918 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm an unbeliever myself who never takes the expression "God bless you" as anything but an expression of good will. Same with "Merry Christmas," "Gut Shabbos," and similar sayings.

    When my daughter was a little girl, she wished her music teacher "Merry Christmas." He wished her "Happy Hanukkah." They both beamed.

    Seems to me anybody who would take offense at such good wishes based on the wisher's religion (with no intent to proselytize) is a jerk. We should never design policies just to avoid offending jerks.
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Congressman joins the ranks of those wanting that crazy lady traitor to be unemployed:

    http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/humble/news/article_b07f94bb-1d61-569b-a687-95b16732e618.html
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    I could care less if someone has a other religious belief, but those that dont want any any trying there damnest to take our away.
    it seems they go out of there way,to take down cross's on highways that troops have been killed, people have lost their lives, it should be up to the people who are left behind, their relatives, no one else.
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wittynbear
    Then I guess I would break their rules and offend them. I don't care if they get offended and I am sick of just letting it be. These people are going to start getting the living snot beat out of them.


    I think 1 good * whooping would do the trick .[:(!]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    April 1922 where Hitler said that Jesus was "the true God." Finally, Steigmann-Gall gives another example where in a private Nazi meeting Hitler again stated the centrality of Jesus' teachings to the Nazi movement.[17]

    One can go here are read the speeches by Adolf and find in them his references to God and Jesus.

    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,723 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by trapguy2007
    quote:Originally posted by wittynbear
    Then I guess I would break their rules and offend them. I don't care if they get offended and I am sick of just letting it be. These people are going to start getting the living snot beat out of them.


    I think 1 good * whooping would do the trick .[:(!]


    Amen.
    What's next?
  • cactuspete1cactuspete1 Member Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is the thing to do! They dont believe in the same thing you do so Go Kick their *. Sort of reminds me a a few centuries ago.
  • MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    You go to Bavaria or Switzerland and instead of saying good morning or whatever people say Gruss Gott (Greet God).
    People who get rabid about forcing their beliefs on other people, no matter what their position or the justification, IMO, are going to be what eventually ruins America. The nags and beatchers are going to end up running the place, forcing their will on a majority who caves in, just trying to get along.
    Better than half of the legal holidays in Germany are religious holidays. I kind of admire Germany's unwillingness to give up centuries old traditions, as the flavor of the day changes. They manage to hold onto tradition even though they are mostly liberal and it seems to serve them well.
  • cahascahas Member Posts: 4,064
    edited November -1
    Because they are offensive?? WHAT!!
    What about offending the Veterans families. Many more families believe in God than not, so this makes 0 sense. ZERO.
    It makes more sense to leave the cross up than take it down, so it is taken down ??
    Pure idiocy at it's finest Ladies and Gentlemen. Arlene Ocasio, you are not one of us, you should be fired and given the opportunity to leave this Country or be incarcerated in one of our spacious Federal prisons.
  • CbtEngr01CbtEngr01 Member Posts: 4,340
    edited November -1
    By-God if they think that's offensive give me just a few minutes alone with'em. That is bull schit!! I wonder ho many of the local citizens have wrote their represenatives... of if they would even care
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So just what the hell can they do. If any one utters those so-called bad words what are they gonna do??? Call a cop, ask you to leave, just screw em.
  • KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    quote:Originally posted by 46270
    what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
    who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
    that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
    minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
    will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
    and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
    dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".




    apparently He wasn't [;)] [:D]
  • 7.62x39Lover7.62x39Lover Member Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The battle against decent society has been raging for decades and good men have remained silent in the face of "PC" BS. We can no longer afford to be the silent majority. We have to stand up for our convictions no matter what, not doing so will ultimately lead to us becoming a society of slaves.
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It must be true, I read it here.[:o)]
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MudderChuck
    You go to Bavaria or Switzerland and instead of saying good morning or whatever people say Gruss Gott (Greet God).
    People who get rabid about forcing their beliefs on other people, no matter what their position or the justification, IMO, are going to be what eventually ruins America. The nags and beatchers are going to end up running the place, forcing their will on a majority who caves in, just trying to get along.
    Better than half of the legal holidays in Germany are religious holidays. I kind of admire Germany's unwillingness to give up centuries old traditions, as the flavor of the day changes. They manage to hold onto tradition even though they are mostly liberal and it seems to serve them well.


    don't want to take off on a tangent, but that traditionalism you are talking about goes way back 1500 years. the german "Folk" that was glorified in the WWI-WWII era, was a rejection of Roman influence that the rest of europe had. they kept christianity, but the germans retain the most of their barbaric roots out of all the europeans. quite an interesting topic.
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