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VA Veterans Cemetery Bans the Words "God," "Jesus" -- Offensive, no Longer AllowedPosted by Randy on June 29, 2011 at 5:30pm
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.VA Veterans Cemetery Bans the Words "God," "Jesus" -- Offensive, no Longer Allowed
This is outrageous. The Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers that they can no longer use the words "God," "God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or in condolence cards. They're "offensive."
Another craven example of the left's war on America. We are not godless.
Are "Jesus" and "G-d" being singled out here? When I called the Houston National Cemetery to inquire, I was told that Arlene Ocasio was off this week (how convenient). I further inquired whether this prohibition includes Allah and was tersely told that "the matter was in litigation" and no comment would be forthcoming (how convenient). I'd like to see them try this with Moe, but I suspect the number of Muslim soldiers in this veterans cemetery is ..... minimal.
In any case, Ocasio should be fired. Immediately. Out. of. control.
VA Cemetery to Veterans: The Word "God," "Jesus" are Offensive, no ... Posted by Aurelius over at Pundit PressThe Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers alike that they can no longer use the word "God,""God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or condolence cards. The word has been deemed 'offensive.'
That is according to local volunteer and veterans groups that work at the cemetery. They are now suing the Cemetery in federal court so that they can use the word God.
To cite one specific example given in the suit, the director of the cemetery, Arleen Ocasio commanded volunteers never to use "God bless you" and "God bless" ever again at the cemetery.
Cheryl Whitfield, founder of Houston National Memorial Ladies, could not simply stand by. "I could've kept my mouth shut and let things happen, but when it comes to standing up for your belief in God and giving comfort to the families, I don't want to regret not saying anything," she said. "We all had to stand up for what we believe in."
Specifically, the suit brought against the cemetery and the Department of Veterans Affairs states that there has been "a widespread and consistent practice of discriminating against private religious speech."
The suit goes on to describe Ms. Ocasio's running of the cemetery:
"The doors remain locked during Houston National Cemetery operating hours, the cross and the Bible have been removed, and the Chapel bells, which tolled at least twice a day, are now inoperative. Director Ocasio only unlocks the chapel doors when meetings or training sessions are held at the building. Furthermore, it is no longer called a 'chapel' but a 'meeting facility.'#8201;"Another man allegedly discriminated against in the suit was Vietnam veteran Nobleton Jones. After reciting the words, "We ask that God grant you and your family grace, mercy and peace" at a burial ceremony, a phrase that he has used for decades, he was told to stop.
"That makes me feel smaller, even after I spent my time in the military, fighting so that people should be able to say that," he said in response. "I did all this for my country and you are going to tell me what I can and can't say?"
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/06/va-veterans...
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10410 Veterans Memorial Dr, Houston, TX 77038
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.VA Veterans Cemetery Bans the Words "God," "Jesus" -- Offensive, no Longer Allowed
This is outrageous. The Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers that they can no longer use the words "God," "God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or in condolence cards. They're "offensive."
Another craven example of the left's war on America. We are not godless.
Are "Jesus" and "G-d" being singled out here? When I called the Houston National Cemetery to inquire, I was told that Arlene Ocasio was off this week (how convenient). I further inquired whether this prohibition includes Allah and was tersely told that "the matter was in litigation" and no comment would be forthcoming (how convenient). I'd like to see them try this with Moe, but I suspect the number of Muslim soldiers in this veterans cemetery is ..... minimal.
In any case, Ocasio should be fired. Immediately. Out. of. control.
VA Cemetery to Veterans: The Word "God," "Jesus" are Offensive, no ... Posted by Aurelius over at Pundit PressThe Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers alike that they can no longer use the word "God,""God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or condolence cards. The word has been deemed 'offensive.'
That is according to local volunteer and veterans groups that work at the cemetery. They are now suing the Cemetery in federal court so that they can use the word God.
To cite one specific example given in the suit, the director of the cemetery, Arleen Ocasio commanded volunteers never to use "God bless you" and "God bless" ever again at the cemetery.
Cheryl Whitfield, founder of Houston National Memorial Ladies, could not simply stand by. "I could've kept my mouth shut and let things happen, but when it comes to standing up for your belief in God and giving comfort to the families, I don't want to regret not saying anything," she said. "We all had to stand up for what we believe in."
Specifically, the suit brought against the cemetery and the Department of Veterans Affairs states that there has been "a widespread and consistent practice of discriminating against private religious speech."
The suit goes on to describe Ms. Ocasio's running of the cemetery:
"The doors remain locked during Houston National Cemetery operating hours, the cross and the Bible have been removed, and the Chapel bells, which tolled at least twice a day, are now inoperative. Director Ocasio only unlocks the chapel doors when meetings or training sessions are held at the building. Furthermore, it is no longer called a 'chapel' but a 'meeting facility.'#8201;"Another man allegedly discriminated against in the suit was Vietnam veteran Nobleton Jones. After reciting the words, "We ask that God grant you and your family grace, mercy and peace" at a burial ceremony, a phrase that he has used for decades, he was told to stop.
"That makes me feel smaller, even after I spent my time in the military, fighting so that people should be able to say that," he said in response. "I did all this for my country and you are going to tell me what I can and can't say?"
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/06/va-veterans...
CALL AND COMPLAIN!
US Houston Natl Cemetery
10410 Veterans Memorial Dr, Houston, TX 77038
(281) 447-8686
Comments
it must have something to do with karma.
who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".
dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".[/quote]
Nein Dummbkopf
Christianity was considered a "Jewish" religion by the Nazis.
In 1940 the SS in France made it a point to get to churches first to desecrate them before the regular army got there and make the point this ancient superstition hindered the advancement of National Socialism.
It was tolerated to a small degree to placate the population but the Nazis only made reference to divine powers abstractly and never is Christianity proclaimed by any Nazi official and certainly not Hitler.
Please link a quote from Hitler's reign to Jesus Christ. He was fascinated with the occult not the son of God.
Wulfmann
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".
Nein Dummbkopf
Christianity was considered a "Jewish" religion by the Nazis.
In 1940 the SS in France made it a point to get to churches first to desecrate them before the regular army got there and make the point this ancient superstition hindered the advancement of National Socialism.
It was tolerated to a small degree to placate the population but the Nazis only made reference to divine powers abstractly and never is Christianity proclaimed by any Nazi official and certainly not Hitler.
Please link a quote from Hitler's reign to Jesus Christ. He was fascinated with the occult not the son of God.
Wulfmann
http://nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
Vicious cycle, it seems.
Maybe that guy should rob a grave and find a brain.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I mean, I know there is nothing but good intentions, but it is kind of odd to tell a parent of a recently buried soldier that they have been "blessed". Blessed with what? A devastating loss? Again, I know that isn't the intent, but it doesn't sound right when you think about it.
Yeah, they might be comforted to hear that their kid is hanging out with Jesus, but I'd bet they'd be even more comforted to have their kid back. Alive. With them.
All in all, this really is a stupid ban. Perhaps just telling the volunteers to minimize contact with the bereaved would have been better.
quote:Originally posted by 46270
what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".
I am making ref to the jews, and the similar effects on the jews, not about christian
Provers 14:34
I have to agree they should be able to say whatever they want during the funeral. it's not an offensive action, and if somebody is 'offended' by what they overhear being said at somebody else's funeral, that's just too frikkin bad.
amen +1
When my daughter was a little girl, she wished her music teacher "Merry Christmas." He wished her "Happy Hanukkah." They both beamed.
Seems to me anybody who would take offense at such good wishes based on the wisher's religion (with no intent to proselytize) is a jerk. We should never design policies just to avoid offending jerks.
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/humble/news/article_b07f94bb-1d61-569b-a687-95b16732e618.html
it seems they go out of there way,to take down cross's on highways that troops have been killed, people have lost their lives, it should be up to the people who are left behind, their relatives, no one else.
Then I guess I would break their rules and offend them. I don't care if they get offended and I am sick of just letting it be. These people are going to start getting the living snot beat out of them.
I think 1 good * whooping would do the trick .[:(!]
One can go here are read the speeches by Adolf and find in them his references to God and Jesus.
http://www.hitler.org/speeches/
quote:Originally posted by wittynbear
Then I guess I would break their rules and offend them. I don't care if they get offended and I am sick of just letting it be. These people are going to start getting the living snot beat out of them.
I think 1 good * whooping would do the trick .[:(!]
Amen.
People who get rabid about forcing their beliefs on other people, no matter what their position or the justification, IMO, are going to be what eventually ruins America. The nags and beatchers are going to end up running the place, forcing their will on a majority who caves in, just trying to get along.
Better than half of the legal holidays in Germany are religious holidays. I kind of admire Germany's unwillingness to give up centuries old traditions, as the flavor of the day changes. They manage to hold onto tradition even though they are mostly liberal and it seems to serve them well.
What about offending the Veterans families. Many more families believe in God than not, so this makes 0 sense. ZERO.
It makes more sense to leave the cross up than take it down, so it is taken down ??
Pure idiocy at it's finest Ladies and Gentlemen. Arlene Ocasio, you are not one of us, you should be fired and given the opportunity to leave this Country or be incarcerated in one of our spacious Federal prisons.
quote:Originally posted by 46270
what about the freedom of speech for someone that has died?
who speaks for them? I think we are headed down a long path
that if we dont get it turned around, we will end up as a
minority in our own country. a place where the cross and god
will be just like germany in the 40's. this is our country
and we need to fight tooth and nail to take it back.
dude, they had crosses and God. the nazis were christian. their motto was "gott mit uns".
apparently He wasn't [;)] [:D]
You go to Bavaria or Switzerland and instead of saying good morning or whatever people say Gruss Gott (Greet God).
People who get rabid about forcing their beliefs on other people, no matter what their position or the justification, IMO, are going to be what eventually ruins America. The nags and beatchers are going to end up running the place, forcing their will on a majority who caves in, just trying to get along.
Better than half of the legal holidays in Germany are religious holidays. I kind of admire Germany's unwillingness to give up centuries old traditions, as the flavor of the day changes. They manage to hold onto tradition even though they are mostly liberal and it seems to serve them well.
don't want to take off on a tangent, but that traditionalism you are talking about goes way back 1500 years. the german "Folk" that was glorified in the WWI-WWII era, was a rejection of Roman influence that the rest of europe had. they kept christianity, but the germans retain the most of their barbaric roots out of all the europeans. quite an interesting topic.