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From my cold, dead hands!

guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
edited March 2018 in General Discussion
Nope. I think 90% of gun owners would just roll over and turn them in.

Discuss.

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  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431
    edited November -1
    Folks aren't suicidal. Most will require some vision of a path forward which leads to them surviving a victory.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 39,309 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
    Nope. I think 90% of gun owners would just roll over and turn them in.

    Discuss.
    Totally agree, just look at some of the responses to 2nd amendment threads on this forum.
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "My guns aren't worth dying for, but my freedoms are".

    I just made that up. I should make it a bumper sticker.
  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I fear a ban is coming. I don't think Trump is a solid 2A guy, and I think the Supreme Court would gladly go along with an AWB, semiautos ban, high cap mag ban, etc.

    I think Trump will find himself in some hot water with porn stars or Russia, and will use a gun ban to get himself out of it and get some good press.
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,947 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are a lot of guns out in private hands in America, but in the end citizens are not as well armed as the Gov. Nor as well trained.

    Little Big Horn.



    I use to have some, but they all went down with the boat.
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Look what happend to Charlton Heston !
    "What is truth?'
  • brier-49brier-49 Member Posts: 7,023 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Considering there are about 100 million gun owners in America & more than 300 million guns & trillions of rounds of ammo I don't think too many will roll over & turn them in.
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 11,109
    edited November -1
    I personally, (having served in the Military,) do not believe that a majority of our Soldiers would engage our Private Citizens in the manner envisioned or described in order to implement a Confiscation. It simply will not happen.


    If "90% turn them in," that leaves a Core 10% that will not. (Per your example.) 10% over the 3%, in our last Revolution, is pretty good. A lot of us 10%'rs have Military training, and a like mindset with substantial reserves, due to prior planning.

    It would be really stupid to not continue the incramentalism currently taking place, as opposed to an all out grab/confiscation.


    All of this is, of course, IMHO.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,815 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Many gun owners have bought, sold and traded so many guns over their lifetimes it would be impossible for the government to know what an individual may own. I've got guns that I bet have been 4-5 or more private hands before they reached me.
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 11,109
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    Many gun owners have bought, sold and traded so many guns over their lifetimes it would be impossible for the government to know what an individual may own. I've got guns that I bet have been 4-5 or more private hands before they reached me.



    Another very valid point. (One I had in mind.) They'd be screwed, to try and pin down a particular firearm to a particular individual.


    Incramentalism is by far, their best bet, anything beyond that would not be very smart. (As an understatment.)
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not that difficult to pin a particular gun to an individual. On the state level, many states now track exactly that. Plus, dealers have their bound books & Forms 4473. Of course, there will often be changes in ownership not documented, but that won't stop them from knocking on your door, maybe even searching the premises.

    For those us subject to the JBT's of the fascists (Maryland residents), we have had that happen. In October, 2002, police were searching for the "DC Sniper"; so, the Maryland State Police knocked on the door of as many state registered AR-15 owners as they could find, & asked "Can we see your rifle?" Chilling effect on notions of freedom. Many were probably good officers, but they were "just following orders", not unlike the defense of Nazis after WW2.

    Neal
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,367 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    I fear a ban is coming. I don't think Trump is a solid 2A guy, and I think the Supreme Court would gladly go along with an AWB, semiautos ban, high cap mag ban, etc.

    I think Trump will find himself in some hot water with porn stars or Russia, and will use a gun ban to get himself out of it and get some good press.

    Be serious.

    Trump has stated from day one he'd stand by the Second Amendment. Just yesterday at a speech, text plus scroll down for short video.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5559959/Trump-promises-supporters-Second-Amendment-Second-Amendment.html
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 11,109
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    Not that difficult to pin a particular gun to an individual. On the state level, many states now track exactly that. Plus, dealers have their bound books & Forms 4473. Of course, there will often be changes in ownership not documented, but that won't stop them from knocking on your door, maybe even searching the premises.

    For those us subject to the JBT's of the fascists (Maryland residents), we have had that happen. In October, 2002, police were searching for the "DC Sniper"; so, the Maryland State Police knocked on the door of as many state registered AR-15 owners as they could find, & asked "Can we see your rifle?" Chilling effect on notions of freedom. Many were probably good officers, but they were "just following orders", not unlike the defense of Nazis after WW2.

    Neal



    While I understand your premise, having lived in NY/NJ for many (25?) Years, that crap will not take place in Tennessee. (Or) For that matter, most of the other Southern Free states. Different mind set and reality going on down here Brother. Lots of trading, selling, etc. going on down here. Private party, no paperwork involved. Open my safes? Sure, show me a Warrant.

    Not counting other things stashed off premises. (If I were to do such a thing.) Not that I would even consider that.
  • fideaufideau Member Posts: 11,893 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is the reason they want "comprehensive background checks". What that means is NO private sales, always thru a FFL dealer. Of course that would still be impossible to control. In NC it is already state law that a handgun purchase requires a permit from your county Sheriff
    even for private sales. But I doubt that happens very often. And it shouldn't. The handgun permit should be abolished. But we are ruled by Dimotards. So it won't.
  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Folks aren't suicidal. Most will require some vision of a path forward which leads to them surviving a victory.


    That sounds like you are under the assumption that all Military and Police would comply. I personally know several in the Military that will Not and our Local PD has publicly said they will Not go to anyone's house to retrieve a firearm under any form of a gun control federal order,,I think just like the last the War of Northern Aggression it will split,,the problem will come from leadership or where to mass the people to stand up against an order for gun control..You have plenty of people willing,,some like myself,not so able,,but have no idea how or where,, so if/when it happens my choice will be here on my property , gonna stream it live ,,,as far as 90% turning them in,,your most likely right but the 10% left would be all it would take if done right
  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    I fear a ban is coming. I don't think Trump is a solid 2A guy, and I think the Supreme Court would gladly go along with an AWB, semiautos ban, high cap mag ban, etc.

    I think Trump will find himself in some hot water with porn stars or Russia, and will use a gun ban to get himself out of it and get some good press.

    Be serious.

    Trump has stated from day one he'd stand by the Second Amendment. Just yesterday at a speech, text plus scroll down for short video.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5559959/Trump-promises-supporters-Second-Amendment-Second-Amendment.html


    I am being serious. I don't think the 2A is going to be repealed. I do think, though, that Trump can buy himself a whole lot of good press and political goodwill with the Democrats with an AWB, a high cap mag ban, and a semiauto ban.

    Imagine if he dangled all of that in front of the Democrats, imagine if he said for $30 billion for the wall I'll give you all of that. You don't think every Democrat would go for that?

    Furthermore, you don't think the Supreme Court would find all of those things "reasonable restrictions" and fully constitutional? DC supposedly got gun rights after Heller? Has anybody in DC actually gotten gun rights?

    These are the end times. It's all over.
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,367 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    I fear a ban is coming. I don't think Trump is a solid 2A guy, and I think the Supreme Court would gladly go along with an AWB, semiautos ban, high cap mag ban, etc.

    I think Trump will find himself in some hot water with porn stars or Russia, and will use a gun ban to get himself out of it and get some good press.

    Be serious.

    Trump has stated from day one he'd stand by the Second Amendment. Just yesterday at a speech, text plus scroll down for short video.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5559959/Trump-promises-supporters-Second-Amendment-Second-Amendment.html


    I am being serious. I don't think the 2A is going to be repealed. I do think, though, that Trump can buy himself a whole lot of good press and political goodwill with the Democrats with an AWB, a high cap mag ban, and a semiauto ban.

    Imagine if he dangled all of that in front of the Democrats, imagine if he said for $30 billion for the wall I'll give you all of that. You don't think every Democrat would go for that?

    Furthermore, you don't think the Supreme Court would find all of those things "reasonable restrictions" and fully constitutional? DC supposedly got gun rights after Heller? Has anybody in DC actually gotten gun rights?

    These are the end times. It's all over.


    fantasy01.gif Study what he's been saying and doing.
  • TexraidTexraid Member Posts: 46 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I continually read the hysteria in forums on repealing the second amendment. Folks, it will NEVER happen. Here is the process and requirements.

    Proposing an Amendment

    Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment to the Constitution.

    Both houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
    Two-thirds of the state legislatures must call on Congress to hold a constitutional convention.

    Ratifying an Amendment

    Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.

    Three-fourths of the state legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
    Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition with the 21st Amendment.

    The U.S. Supreme Court originally held that ratification must happen within "some reasonable time after the proposal. However, since the 18th Amendment was ratified, Congress has set the term of seven years for ratification

    Now getting 2/3 of both houses to agree on anything is impossible, as is 75% of the states.
  • pingjockeypingjockey Member Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rather than allow the lib's to get away with putting up a picture of
    a musket and an AR, they should put up pictures of what the government
    and the people had then as opposed to now. The private citizen gives away a great deal to the government today.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    The question is.....is this country's civilian population prepared for 20 years of guerilla warfare within its borders. Because it wont be an outright war. And could make terrorist attacks and mass killings to this point look like a game.
  • rambo rebelrambo rebel Member Posts: 4,028
    edited November -1
    if you are amongst the 10% you can bet one of the 90 you know will turn you in for browny points. so turn em in to your local congressman or senator who voted to ban them. make sure it's unloaded when you get there.[;)]
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll just share what the NYSP said about the SAFE Act requirement for 'assault weapons' registration......Less than 10% actually registered by the deadline.

    Take it for what it is worth. From personal observation, it may be even less than that.

    I dispute the OP's figure.
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 11,109
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    I'll just share what the NYSP said about the SAFE Act requirement for 'assault weapons' registration......Less than 10% actually registered by the deadline.

    Take it for what it is worth. From personal observation, it may be even less than that.

    I dispute the OP's figure.


    Yep, friends and Military Buddy's up there. (Used to live up there.)

    Not going to happen, except the Sheeple.

    Patriots will not comply.
  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
    "My guns aren't worth dying for, but my freedoms are".

    I just made that up. I should make it a bumper sticker.


    Search results 1. This page.

    Check my siggy [:D]

    This could catch on...
  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 24,450 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    not sure about 90% but I would bet a huge % would hand them over with a "stern letter" to the Government [V] next step
    will be a nation wide registrar of all guns by a set date beyond that any firearm not registered will be a felony to have and one found the owners will forfeit of all property .
    may not do a door to door search but the hear , see or say something feel good sheeple rule maybe even a reward to neighbors or family to turn in a suspect .
    then it will be well we( the government ) have decided all semi auto and magazines and more than XX amount of ammo is illegal for you to have turn them in of face loss of property and imprisonment.

    it will be a slow maybe a couple generation deal but I see it happening
    the 2nd will be in place but be chiseled down to a single shot and a 20 rounds of ammo
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,815 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    Not that difficult to pin a particular gun to an individual. On the state level, many states now track exactly that. Plus, dealers have their bound books & Forms 4473. Of course, there will often be changes in ownership not documented, but that won't stop them from knocking on your door, maybe even searching the premises.

    For those us subject to the JBT's of the fascists (Maryland residents), we have had that happen. In October, 2002, police were searching for the "DC Sniper"; so, the Maryland State Police knocked on the door of as many state registered AR-15 owners as they could find, & asked "Can we see your rifle?" Chilling effect on notions of freedom. Many were probably good officers, but they were "just following orders", not unlike the defense of Nazis after WW2.

    Neal



    While I understand your premise, having lived in NY/NJ for many (25?) Years, that crap will not take place in Tennessee. (Or) For that matter, most of the other Southern Free states. Different mind set and reality going on down here Brother. Lots of trading, selling, etc. going on down here. Private party, no paperwork involved. Open my safes? Sure, show me a Warrant.

    Not counting other things stashed off premises. (If I were to do such a thing.) Not that I would even consider that.




    Happens everyday here in the south...not to long ago I met a gentleman in a public place, he handed me the item, I inspected, determined I would like to keep it. we agreed on reasonable compensation and we parted ways. Imagine that...free commerce between free men.
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Meh, people don?t care anymore. As long as thier suburban lifestyles go interupted they are fine.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,724 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    well if it gets serious there is a handly portable little gadget called a neutron scanner that can see right thru your house and show every hidden gun...at that point everything you own would be consficated and you are sent to the closest gulag in chains...it's for your own good u know
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,603 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you don't think the military or police will turn on the citizens of this country and take their guns then you haven't watched any of the film clips from New Orleans during Katrina a few years ago. Doesn't matter if you're a little old lady with a revolver they'll throw you to the floor and kill you if they feel like it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkUG1F2JiI
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