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People going nuts over killing Gorilla PIC ADDED!
Locust Fork
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMpc_jMKusQThis little video makes me think that killing him was the right choice.
I also think that people giving the mother a hard time is uncalled for. If you are standing at a zoo exhibit and your child is right beside you, takes two steps forward through some shrubs and falls 12' into a gorilla moat....that doesn't mean you "aren't in control" or that you are a bad mother. It means the zoo has a bad design.
So you guys can see EXACTLY how weak and inadequate the enclosure's barrier was....(that first thing is not a fence, but a metal bar that is 3' high.)
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I read a while back where some grandparents were walking across a bridge with their grandchild.....walking next to him....they didn't know the slats in the wall were far enough apart for him to fit through and he took two steps and fell to his death. Who would be to blame there? I think building a bridge would mean thinking about the pedestrians and children walking across. Should they have noticed it was dangerous......sure....but this was preventable by the people making the bridge to begin with.
I never had any curtain climbers so what the hell do I know[:D]
Construction companies put up fence around excavated pits to keep hapless pedestrians and looky-loos from falling in. Schools have fencing between play yards and city streets to keep kids from running into the street.
The zoo Should have put a little more thought into providing a more effective barrier than a bleening line of bushes.
Putting inattentive parents aside. I don't even have kids, but could have warned them that eventually some kid is going to get curious and want to peek behind the bushes.
Is the parent in any way responsible? I can't say. I wasn't there to observe their conduct leading up to the incident.
There are morons out there though....we seem to be surrounded.
Animal will/should loose every time.
Damned dirty ape
I see what you did there. Mr. Heston would be proud
I'm hearing that they climbed a 4' fence to get a picture.....but that sounds silly.....who climbs a fence with a toddler....I can see stepping over a small something, but NOT climbing over a 4' tall fence.
There are morons out there though....we seem to be surrounded.
We put up barriers to keep people out of polar bears and they lifted their children over and held them above the pool. Now there are 3 more feet of thick glass above the barrier.
When I was a kid it was accepted that there were dangers in the world and living carried some small risk. Now we seem to want iron clad bullet proof guarantees there will be no risk to anything in life. Is it any mystery that we live in a welfare society?
Zoos are far safer than amusement parks or water parks, and they run drills, are inspected to maintain accreditation, and still it is possible for people to circumvent safety barriers. We attempt to build exhibits where you do not have to look through fence to see the animals and to make the barriers as inconspicuous as possible. Even so, guys jump in to polar bear exhibits to commit suicide. I arrived just as the man who poked the spitting cobra glass with the brass head of his walking stick, was departing and the snake was crawling into the public space. Our gorillas were behind 3" thick laminated glass so you could safely get close.
When I was a kid it was accepted that there were dangers in the world and living carried some small risk. Now we seem to want iron clad bullet proof guarantees there will be no risk to anything in life. Is it any mystery that we live in a welfare society?
Talk about an X-ring.
As a kid I would go out and hunt snakes and Lizards. Can still remember my mom telling me after I got bit by a scorpion, I hope it hurt that way you won't do that again.
Sometimes nature misses. [:D]
Had those lines you weave back and fourth, my little girl was laughing so much, the Japanese were taking more photos of her, than the bear, that was the safest zoo I ever saw. There's not a chance in hell of a kid climbing into a animal exhibit.
quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
I guess I should have put green italic font and [extreme sarcasm] bars around my post.
Don't worry. I wont sue you for it.
Zing
As for law suits. Well, both, the parents and the zoo should be be happy the kid's alive, and let it go at that.
quote:Originally posted by LaidbackDan
Damned dirty ape
I see what you did there. Mr. Heston would be proud
APES it's apes/
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
I see people saying "it was treating the child like its own!", except that its a small human, not a small gorilla. Also, what are you gonna do, climb in there and ask it to hand the child over unharmed? This beast could easily tear a grown man to pieces, and likely without much effort.
Thought I snapped a few pics, maybe they're on my wifes phone, but this exhibit was not impenetrable. First you walked up to it, the concrete was probably waste high, next there was a fence with four steel cables, then maybe a few rocks and vegetation, and then a big drop off into the moat/water barrier.
We happened upon a lost child that day, who was walking alone through the crowds. We got her to a zoo worker, who alerted security, they were in the process of working a different lost child incident. Security told us she was the third three year old to get lost that hour.
It happens, little kids get away, and do silly things. They will watch you, and take advantage when you look away if even for a brief second. It's unfortunate the gorilla had to die, but it was 100% the right call.
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When I was a kid it was accepted that there were dangers in the world and living carried some small risk. Now we seem to want iron clad bullet proof guarantees there will be no risk to anything in life. Is it any mystery that we live in a welfare society?
In today's world we need to design equipment virtually to the point that someone cannot injure themselves even if they try.
It makes troubleshooting and maintenance next to impossible in some cases, and greatly increases the cost, but when companies are forced to hire production workers that have little or no experience around anything that can hurt them, it is almost necessary.
Brad Steele
According to the various news reports, the child crossed 2-3 barricades before falling into the moat. That took effort and time.
Sad that the carelessness of a zoo goer would result in an animal's death like that. I wish they would have tried distraction or another option, but ultimately can't argue with the zoo keepers on how they handled it. Not my monkeys not my circus.
They tried distraction, the boy was in the pit 10 minutes before they shot the gorilla. They opened a gate and called the gorillas, the females responded but the male didn't. I don't know all the details but got the impression the distractions were only agitating the gorilla further. The video I've seen was only a short clip of the 10 minutes. Like you said, sad for the critter, but it seems they did what they had to. Glad the boy survived.
Fine the mother the cost of getting a replacement gorilla.
According to the various news reports, the child crossed 2-3 barricades before falling into the moat. That took effort and time.
I wonder if you have considered what the long term effects, of fining parents for none malicious child behavior, would be.
Sounds like that likely happened. Also sounds like gorrilla frequently drag around animals like that before they kill them. To included young gorillas.
Zoos are going to have to idiot proof things so much it'll be better to watch animal planet
quote:Originally posted by swearengine
Fine the mother the cost of getting a replacement gorilla.
According to the various news reports, the child crossed 2-3 barricades before falling into the moat. That took effort and time.
I wonder if you have considered what the long term effects, of fining parents for none malicious child behavior, would be.
The old adage, kids will be kids, comes to mind. If there were more parents; people who discipline their child; rather than babysitters, you would have less miscreants.
When I was a child, 2 neighbor boys caused damage but they were not being malicious. It cost their parents a combined total of approximately $80,000.00 I guarantee you those adults became parents overnight and those 2 boys grew up to be respected adults.