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Abort73 has gone TOO far...
JnRockwall
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Ok, saw this bumper sticker today that really set my a*s on fire. It reads "Would it bother us more if they used guns"? Abort73.com.
Does this bother anyone else? I just think they need to stick to their cause and let us stick to ours.
See it here: http://www.abort73.com/HTML/V-C-stickers.html
Does this bother anyone else? I just think they need to stick to their cause and let us stick to ours.
See it here: http://www.abort73.com/HTML/V-C-stickers.html
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I fail to catch the meaning. Am I just dense?? Tom
What it means: Most of the people that are PRO-choice are ANTI-gun.
Therefore, if the abortions where performed by Smith&Wesson, they would be outraged. Guns=bad. Killing fetus due to lack of responsibility=just fine.
These people represent the fringe elements of the anti-abortionists and have no place at the table.
Why would that be?
The law is....if you want a differnent outcome then you have to change the law.
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Posted - 05/26/2009 : 12:27:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by War Pig Actual
These people represent the fringe elements of the anti-abortionists and have no place at the table.
Why would that be?
Because extreme elements of any issue cannot be reasoned with.
quote:Originally posted by tccox
I fail to catch the meaning. Am I just dense?? Tom
What it means: Most of the people that are PRO-choice are ANTI-gun.
Therefore, if the abortions where performed by Smith&Wesson, they would be outraged. Guns=bad. Killing fetus due to lack of responsibility=just fine.
Sorry but you missed the mark completely.
Basically they are trying to get the point across that guns have killed many innocent people while being regulated more everyday and yet millions of innocent children are murdered legally by abortion and everyone sits back and lets it happen.
BE A HERO, SAVE A WHALE
SAVE A BABY, GO TO JAIL
Because extreme elements of any issue cannot be reasoned with.
The two extremes are all there is on the abortion issue. There is no middle ground. We either allow the babies to be killed or we don't. Nobody seems to be interested in just roughing them up a little, or just breaking an arm or leg. No room for compromise. Just life or death.
Because extreme elements of any issue cannot be reasoned with.
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quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
Because extreme elements of any issue cannot be reasoned with.
The two extremes are all there is on the abortion issue. There is no middle ground. We either allow the babies to be killed or we don't. Nobody seems to be interested in just roughing them up a little, or just breaking an arm or leg. No room for compromise. Just life or death.
Your exactly right James.
People like WPA don't realize this. There are only two sides to this issue.
Pro or Anti.
Sure, I understand his stance on using a firearm to make the point. I can not say I disagree with the group doing it however.
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What law is that? I think you mean the Supreme Court. It seems the court found something in the constitution that no one else can see. Like when we see "shall not infringe" judges can see that it ACTUALLY says - go ahead!! infringe any way you want.
Simplistic points of view like only irresponsible behavior leads to abortion like I seen in this thread are just that, simplistic. From simplistic minds that fail to see the whole picture. It like a CIA top secret document where they black out stuff they don't want to discuss with everyone.
Equating abortions to gun violence or usage does not help anti's in the abortion debate, but it does cast another shadow over law-abiding gun owners.
I understand pro and anti. What I don't understand or should I say like, is the tactics both sides use and that no one wants to face the facts: 1. Abortion is a brutal murderous act and 2. Abortions will happen if they are illegal or legal.
Simplistic points of view like only irresponsible behavior leads to abortion like I seen in this thread are just that, simplistic. From simplistic minds that fail to see the whole picture. It like a CIA top secret document where they black out stuff they don't want to discuss with everyone.
Equating abortions to gun violence or usage does not help anti's in the abortion debate, but it does cast another shadow over law-abiding gun owners.
BUT, it is NOT the weapon that does the evil, it is the person weilding it.
Just like an abortion. It is the mother and the doctor, performing evil.
Tools are just that, tools. Does it matter what tool they depict that does the murdering?
You will likely never change the minds of people, who BLAME guns for gun related deaths. Same with the curtain of "poor" and "too young for children", and the list goes on...
I agree, that even if it was illegal to have/perform abortions, people will likely still do it. However, murder is illegal too. Until the gallows are back in full force, people are going to still murder, multiple times.
Isn't ONE murder enough, that a person should give up their own life?
I don't agree with the Pro-life forces that are anti-death penalty, but at least they are consistant with their beleifs.
I guess I am pro death...if you want an abortion, fine, your call.
Just don't ask me to pay for it (through my tax dollars) unless I'm the one that knocked you up in the 1st place.
And the death penalty should be applied easily and often...rape, kidnapping, homicide by DUI, plus murder and child abuse.
But that's just my cheery outlook on life[:)]
I suppose they could have said "Would it bother us more if they used a baseball bat?" but I suspect the first two thoughts regarding the gun symbol have a strong role.
Well, I'll give a third interpretation and say it doesn't have to do just with proabortion people being considered anti gun or guns having been often used to kill people. I'll say it also has to do with the open and obvious method of killing with a gun as opposed to a secluded, clinical and I suppose sanitary method of accomplishing the same thing via abortion.
I suppose they could have said "Would it bother us more if they used a baseball bat?" but I suspect the first two thoughts regarding the gun symbol have a strong role.
Not to knock lumps on you, but IF a 30 something man was strapped to a surgery table, and cut into clean little pieces, for the purpose of KILLING him, is his murder any less of a murder?
They used the gun as a shock value symbol. While those of us that collect/shoot arms may find the picture shedding the wrong light on gun owners. Point is, murder is murder. They are expessing their ideas. Doesn't matter how clean and sanitary the pro choicers want to paint it.
Let people make their choice, it's not anyone else's business. They can take it up with Jesus when the time comes.
I am against it for me, but for someone else? To each their own.
I belive that most people need to focus on running their lives better before looking down their noses and worrying about how other people live.
Let people make their choice, it's not anyone else's business. They can take it up with Jesus when the time comes.
I am against it for me, but for someone else? To each their own.
LIFE , Liberty, and the persuit of happines (or property like it was intended)
This abortion debate, is about who is deserving OF life. Perhaps IF this debate were about old, decrepid Grandma, and doing away with her, you would feel the same?
LIFE is life. ALL have the same value. An innocent baby has commited NO crime.
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
Well, I'll give a third interpretation and say it doesn't have to do just with proabortion people being considered anti gun or guns having been often used to kill people. I'll say it also has to do with the open and obvious method of killing with a gun as opposed to a secluded, clinical and I suppose sanitary method of accomplishing the same thing via abortion.
I suppose they could have said "Would it bother us more if they used a baseball bat?" but I suspect the first two thoughts regarding the gun symbol have a strong role.
Not to knock lumps on you, but IF a 30 something man was strapped to a surgery table, and cut into clean little pieces, for the purpose of KILLING him, is his murder any less of a murder?
They used the gun as a shock value symbol. While those of us that collect/shoot arms may find the picture shedding the wrong light on gun owners. Point is, murder is murder. They are expessing their ideas. Doesn't matter how clean and sanitary the pro choicers want to paint it.
No lumps taken, so to speak. I wasn't posting how I view what they do, but that they are making the point that what is done in the operating room is in this instance as violent as what can be done with a gun.
Now, for the abortion part I have mixed emotions. When you see children abused and tortured by their parents or by foster parents then you wonder if maybe an abortion would have been more humane.
Imagine a four year old male child who looks two because of the abuse and neglect he has received everyday of his short life. Imagine this child with a rubber band around his BallPark Frank because he wets the bed from the physical and sexual abuse he has also received everyday of his short life. Imagine not one square inch of his body that does not have scars from past abuse or fresh wounds or bruises from current abuse. Now tell me that this child would not have been better served by an abortion.
I can tell you that abortion may stop a beating heart but it also stops a beating.
Again, I am up in the air on the issue. I don't think it should be used as a contraceptive but I think in certain situations it is necessary and should be done even without the mother's consent.
I could give you many more examples from almost 19 years in Law Enforcent but I hope you get the point.
Bode
You are wrong. All this does is make a point about the double standard of liberals (as if that is any surprise, they are comprised wholly of double standards) and hypocricy that society can achieve when libs use the proper propaganda techniques, something they are expert at.
I don't like the idea of the bumper stick at all. That is all we need is someone, for their own agenda, to throw gun owners under the bus. Especially, by insinuating gun owners are killers.
Now, for the abortion part I have mixed emotions. When you see children abused and tortured by their parents or by foster parents then you wonder if maybe an abortion would have been more humane.
Imagine a four year old male child who looks two because of the abuse and neglect he has received everyday of his short life. Imagine this child with a rubber band around his BallPark Frank because he wets the bed from the physical and sexual abuse he has also received everyday of his short life. Imagine not one square inch of his body that does not have scars from past abuse or fresh wounds or bruises from current abuse. Now tell me that this child would not have been better served by an abortion.
I can tell you that abortion may stop a beating heart but it also stops a beating.
Again, I am up in the air on the issue. I don't think it should be used as a contraceptive but I think in certain situations it is necessary and should be done even without the mother's consent.
I could give you many more examples from almost 19 years in Law Enforcent but I hope you get the point.
Bode
Right! Next time I see an abused woman, I'll shoot her and put her out of her misery.quote:I can tell you that abortion may stop a beating heart but it also stops a beating.You got to be kidding!
"almost 19 years in Law Enforcent..." Doing what? Washing cruisers? Janitor?
quote:Originally posted by callcameron
quote:Originally posted by tccox
I fail to catch the meaning. Am I just dense?? Tom
What it means: Most of the people that are PRO-choice are ANTI-gun.
Therefore, if the abortions where performed by Smith&Wesson, they would be outraged. Guns=bad. Killing fetus due to lack of responsibility=just fine.
Sorry but you missed the mark completely.
Basically they are trying to get the point across that guns have killed many innocent people while being regulated more everyday and yet millions of innocent children are murdered legally by abortion and everyone sits back and lets it happen.
Didn't think about it that way. Either way, they are not putting themselves in a good boat. They are alienating themselves from a large group that would otherwise support their cause.
A woman can enter an abortion clinic have the baby she is carrying killed and dumped into a garbage bin and the doctor can go home and sleep at night.
A woman entering an abortion clinic can be shot causing her to lose her baby and the shooter will be charged with murder of a fetus.