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If Manson was paroled
Hunter Mag
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Just curious if Charles Manson was paroled should he have the right to bear arms?
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Just curious if Charles Manson was paroled should he have the right to bear arms?
If they belive he had paid his debt to society, and belived he was of minimal danger to the public, then yes.
If they belive he had paid his debt to society, and belived he was of minimal danger to the public, then yes.So if tomorrow they said he was good to go it would be okay by you if he and his weapons moved in next door to you and your family?
Keep in mind "they" have no oversight and there aren't any repercussions for occasional mistakes.
#2 - The Folgers would have him removed from the planet within 24 hours. So it doesn't really matter the does it.
"The best sex I ever had was in prison." -- Charles Manson --
Charlie ain't never coming out. But an interesting point is that Charlie was never proven to have pulled the trigger or to have carved up anyone (that I am aware of).
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If his sentence was commuted, or if he received a pardon, he should have the right to bear arms.
Doug
Watched a (fairly old) documenetary on THC about them awhile back and out of curiousity did some internet research. Of the five convicted muderers, Leslie Van Houton seems the most likely candidate for parole. Altho I doubt she'll ever get it.
She, Patricia Krenwinkle and Charles (Tex) Watson all appear to have matured and might have been good candidates for parole. If not for the scope publicity of their crimes.
Susan Atkins is still a strange one. She has filed a lawsuit that the State Of Calif. is infringing on HER rights by keeping her in prison.
On an interesting aside, I actually met two people who "claimed" to be Manson Family Members in a bar in Frasiers Park Calif. (Up in the mountains N. of L.A.) about 10 years ago. And man and a woman. Bar was very crowded and they offered me a seat at their table. Both appeared very normal aging hippie types that are common in Calif. Very friendly and the woman was a very attractive brunette. Spent the evening chatting w/them and dancing w/the woman.
They told me that they were former Manson family members and that they were still in contact w/Charlie and Squeaky Fromme.
Apparently the other convicts, probably for legal reasons, don't maintain contact w/former family members.
This was during the "Dot-Com" boom and they said they were now involved in some kind of succcessful computer business. And owned a home up there somewhere.
I don't recall their names, but I had read "Helter Skelter" and their names didn't ring a bell as being ones I had heard of.
BTW: Altho "lifers" in Calif. Prisons do not have internet access/. Of the 5 convicted, 4 of them (all except Charlie) have websites w/current info on their cases and what they are doing.
I believe she once served as the Chief Justice of the California Supreme Court.
Who?
Was she involved in the Manson case?
I almost got swept up in the Manson case. My buddy and I had hitchiked out to California. We were 19 year old kids, we didn't have much money.
We were sleeping under a big bush in a vacant lot in a nice neighborhood in Los Angeles. In the morning we rolled up our sleeping bags and put them on top of our suitcases and stuck them under this bush. I mean, this bush was about 15 feet wide and 10 feet high. Then we would walk in to town and see what was going on, we were just tourists, really, we went to Sunset Strip and stuff like that. I remember the air pollution was terrible in LA and I wanted out, my buddy Charlie wanted to get jobs and stay all summer.
Anyway at dark we would come back and roll out our sleeping bags and sleep under the stars. Fortunately it doesn't rain much in LA.
Well the neighbors were definitely giving us some funny looks.
After three days in LA, one morning we got up about 7 and hit the road. We hitchiked up to San Francisco. Took one day.
When we got to San Francisco we saw the headlines about the Manson murders.
The neighborhood where we had been staying was about a half mile away from the Tate murder scene!
No doubt we would have been locked right up if we hadn't left that day.
Then, when you saw a movie on the Manson murders, there would be a funny scene where two kids from Georgia were getting grilled by LA detectives.
Problems with both sides of the argument: murderers are often sentenced to "x-years-to-life" and paroled relatively early. It begs the question -- did they actually pay their full debt? Were they paroled as truly being no longer a threat to society, or because the penal system plays the odds to free up prison space and hopefully save taxpayers some money? And, assuming you believe that, yes, all paroled should be considered to have done their time, paid their debt, and to no longer be a threat -- that by definition writes Manson out of the equation. Not that he'd have to be considered an exception (not the way our law works, or should), but that every time he comes up for parole I get the impression the parole board is scared ----less of even being in the same room with him. Might as well argue the "what ifs...." of the sun rising in the west.
FWIW, yes, I believe someone released from prison ought to be allowed the full array of Constitutional rights. If there were to develop a pattern of having to say "Oops...." time and time again, we'd be forced to seriously re-evaluate (either or both) the amount of time violent criminals are kept in prison and what we as a society expect to have accomplished by sending them there. AND in the case of violent criminals, going out and returning to the same old behavior of robbing, killing, etc., after having had one's rights restored the first time, could result in a mandatory you-ain't-never-gettin'-out life sentence -- except our judicial system seems incapable of making such sentences stick (witness the fact that Manson is even eligible for parole, to bring this full circle).
As far as Charlie never having actually been proven to have killed anyone -- you could say the same about Hitler. Having authority and giving orders carries a special responsibility, even if the ones in charge don't dirty their hands with the blood and guts of the actual killing. I believe that was the (justifiable) basis of Manson's conviction and subsequent death sentence: he didn't do it, but he made it happen.
Her group of left wing liberals overturned the death sentences of hundreds on death row in Calif back in the early 80's.
The outraged citizens of calif then voted her and 2 other liberals, Cruz Reynoso & Joseph Grodin, from the court in 1986. She has since dissapeared into obscurity.
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
Just curious if Charles Manson was paroled should he have the right to bear arms?
If they belive he had paid his debt to society, and belived he was of minimal danger to the public, then yes.
+1...if he's paid his debt to society and deemed safe to release back into the public, he should have his rights restored.
Having said that, I believe he should be executed.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
If they belive he had paid his debt to society, and belived he was of minimal danger to the public, then yes.So if tomorrow they said he was good to go it would be okay by you if he and his weapons moved in next door to you and your family?
Keep in mind "they" have no oversight and there aren't any repercussions for occasional mistakes.
YES that would be fine with me. ME and MY weapons would be on the watch for bad people all the same.
which one of you liberal do-gooders would sign on as liable upon his release to be held fully accountable to the families of victims in the event he kills again????????????????
Fisrt, there IS a difference from liberalism and constitutionalism. I belive in the constitution AND the bill of rights. Those rights apply to ALL freepeople, not just who we *think* should have them. A free American is entitled to their RIGHTS.
Now, if you want someone to blame for the bad guys doing wrong, blame the justice system and the judges whom only give a slap on the wrist, for serious criminals. The problem doesn't lay at the feet of the citizenry, but at the feet of those whom are *supposed* to be dealing JUSTICE. Liberal judges who won't place personal responsibility on the perps, are the real problem.
The good news is I am sure he will die in prison.
Doug
A parolee has not paid his debt to society.
Doug
If they are still a threat to society, they should not be released. Period.
D.
As long as we are not incarcerated? It doesn't say anything about felons not having the right?
He should of gotten the death penalty years ago. We should use this more often since I don't want to pay taxes to inprison some dirt bag for years either.
Also, I think he plays up his mental condition to gain attention also. Guess it's worked.
CORRECT! Chief Justice Rose Bird and a majority of the other members of the California Supreme Court ruled to overturn the death penalty in The State of California.
Rose Bird at least, and perhaps other members of the California Supreme Court (I don't recall now) was impeached by the citizenry and removed from the California Supreme Court. I believe she was welcomed into academeia as a celebrity professor of bullship and burma shave, probably at Berkley. Rose Bird later died, forgotten by mainstream Californians and America in general.
The ultra left wing liberals provided a lush incubator for people like Angela Davis, the Lesbian black chick sympathetic to the Black Panthers and member of the American Communist Party that provided weapons to some imprisoned Black Panthers. The Panthers pulled the guns in court, kidnapped the judge, taped her shotgun around the judge's neck, muzzle up under his chin and demanded release of the so-called Soledad Brothers from prison. The police killed or wounded all these guys, but in the process they pulled the trigger on the judge, blowing his head off.
Angela ran but was later captured. She was judged not guilty, the mere fact that she was associated with the Black Panthers and owned the shotgun not being enough to convict her of murder, conspiracy, kidnapping and a variety of other charges. (Must be related to O. J.)
She now lives as a celebrity super left wing socialist darling and professor of Whatever at the University of California, Berkley. She renounced communism and now works toward the blending of democracy and socialism, homsexual and lesbian (special) rights, and other outrageous causes, all funded by public money of course, much like the current Democratic frontrunners.