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I would support a united negro tradeschool
scottm21166
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Before you jump all over me and call me a racist or jump all over me and say we shouldn't support blacks with affirmative action, hear me out.
Blacks in America are disproportionatly unemployed at 15.9% VS 9.1% for the general public.
Sending any kid to traditional college classes earns them a degree that does not nessasarily translate into a job.
Sending kids to a traditional college exposes them to liberal arts which for most leads to socialist ideals taught by left leaning professors.
Blacks need skills that will lead to being employable in the real world not more suggestion that they are victims of white society.
If they went to a school that developed their ability to perform a trade it would give them valuable skills that allowed them to compete in the world and earn a living that allowed their kids to attend college on their dime, to work their own way up the ladder and take them off welfare rolls.
There are enough black professors, community organizers, preachers, athletes, lawyers and rap artists.
We need some black electricians, plumbers pipefitters and welders. They could learn high tech skills or how to use CGA for HVAC or
for civil engineering. They should be welcomed and encouraged to take business and accounting classes and to start their own businesses of any sort.
We have to accept and promote black participation in our trades and skilled labor pools to the point where they are indistingshable from whites in statistics beyond population.
Some how, we have got to start withthe kids, getting them thru high school without developing a victim mentality or turning to the easy money from drug trafficing and the destroyed future that will come from that persuit.
Hope is what they need and,IMO,hope comes from objective results they can see for themselves not from welfare paid to sit it out.
here is a real communist, mind control solution. Take inner city black babies from their crack addicted single mother and raise them to become contributin members of society far away from the pitfalls that await them in the hood.
I know that can't be done literally but maybe it can be done figurativly. those kids need a chance that is 180 degrees away from what is offered by current policy
Blacks in America are disproportionatly unemployed at 15.9% VS 9.1% for the general public.
Sending any kid to traditional college classes earns them a degree that does not nessasarily translate into a job.
Sending kids to a traditional college exposes them to liberal arts which for most leads to socialist ideals taught by left leaning professors.
Blacks need skills that will lead to being employable in the real world not more suggestion that they are victims of white society.
If they went to a school that developed their ability to perform a trade it would give them valuable skills that allowed them to compete in the world and earn a living that allowed their kids to attend college on their dime, to work their own way up the ladder and take them off welfare rolls.
There are enough black professors, community organizers, preachers, athletes, lawyers and rap artists.
We need some black electricians, plumbers pipefitters and welders. They could learn high tech skills or how to use CGA for HVAC or
for civil engineering. They should be welcomed and encouraged to take business and accounting classes and to start their own businesses of any sort.
We have to accept and promote black participation in our trades and skilled labor pools to the point where they are indistingshable from whites in statistics beyond population.
Some how, we have got to start withthe kids, getting them thru high school without developing a victim mentality or turning to the easy money from drug trafficing and the destroyed future that will come from that persuit.
Hope is what they need and,IMO,hope comes from objective results they can see for themselves not from welfare paid to sit it out.
here is a real communist, mind control solution. Take inner city black babies from their crack addicted single mother and raise them to become contributin members of society far away from the pitfalls that await them in the hood.
I know that can't be done literally but maybe it can be done figurativly. those kids need a chance that is 180 degrees away from what is offered by current policy
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Trust me on this one.
[;)]
Trade schools need to be brought back as a alternative to collages.
I just read that the Port of Portland, OR. has quite a few unfilled welder and millwright positions at good wages because so few are trained out of high school for a trade anymore.
I don't believe that should be limited to a certain race.
Trade schools need to be brought back as a alternative to collages.
I just read that the Port of Portland, OR. has quite a few unfilled welder and millwright positions at good wages because so few are trained out of high school for a trade anymore.
+1
The only problem I see is work ethic myself.
As many of you folks know here, I have owned my own HVAC business for 20 years, and was in the trade 10 years before, working for others until I moved where I am now.
I could count the number of black HVAC techs around this area on one hand, and I know of no black owned companies.
A lot of them start out as helpers/installers for a low wage like any race would, but when they find out how hard it is, and how hot it is,........well you can figure out the rest.
A lot of folks of all races think that HVAC is a 'cushy' trade somehow, and attempt to start but back out.
Anyway,.....I agree fully with trade schools for a lot of people instead of college. I was no dolt, regardless of what some of you might think of me. I made excellent grades, and have a high IQ, but I just didn't want to go to college.
You CAN make a very nice living from a trade if you are willing to bust your rear. I am better off than many people I know with college degrees around here. I have nothing against further education either, but some folks that are crying about not being able to find a job with a degree need to go back and learn basic economics. If what you hold is not needed or in demand, your piece of paper is pretty much worthless,......especially in a bad economy.
Plain and simple, this nation can't exist with people that only sit behind a desk punching on a computer, teaching, etc.,.....you get my drift. Regardless of how many jobs are 'outsourced' the service industry will alway exist, and is suffering big-time from a lack of trained individuals.
When I was speaking of 'trade' schools and tradesmen being needed, I did't mean it in the respect of anything that the Gub supplied for free.
Before we are done, we are going to be paying for every young person to go to college, whether there is a need or not.
I'm still trying to figure out how I have lived for 50 years without taking anything from the Gub?
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
Mighty white of ya...
when i was stationed in germany, their educational system was explained to me.
college candidates (they were tested) proceeded down the academic pathway.
everyone else was trained in a trade. this is an efficient use of resources, almost guarantees
a strong, efficient work force and low unemployment.
jmho
tom
The blacks who work with me are some of the hardest workers I have, but they want to work.
Black, white or purple pock-a-dotted, you have to want a job.
I am going to say how things "should" be. I know I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, but here is my wish:
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
Most of what you are saying here is the parent's job to figure out.
Me? I want less government intrusion. I certainly don't want them telling me or my children what they should or will do with their lives.
In red, I certainly agree with.
In other words there were like 10 blacks in the whole school.
The graduation rate was probably 98%.
Today that same school which was totally rebuilt a few years back is 75% black & minority. It has a graduation rate of maybe 50%.
If you can't get them to learn in grade & high school you sure as hell ain't gonna get them to learn in a college (tech school).
You have to want to learn something whether your momma was a crack head and or you never new your father.
It all starts at home and in your head.
quote:I would support a united negro tradeschool
Mighty white of ya...
As opposed to a United Negro College Fund. I am white even racist at times but I cannot see continuing down this path. Blacks are held as slaves in this culture unless they fight their own way out of it. That would be fine if their parents and teachers did not reinforce, even instill, that attitude and society didn't affirm it with their welfare programs meant only to silence them, keep them out of our hair.
There has to be a solution and I am only proposing one idea. It may not be the right one but thinking about what to do is the right thing to do. Saving a major portion of this population might be the only thing that saves the rest.
I really don't know. I have always heard the first step in solving any problem is admitting there is a problem. That has been done with this issue, long ago but we as a nation are no closer to a solution than we were in 1965 or even 1865
There are trade job apprenticeships around for anyone around anyone that wants them. ln most construction skills. Like sheet metal, electrician, painter, pipe fitter, carpenter, Machinest, boiler maker. plumber, They get paid while they learn. Most start out around 40% of journeyman pay. Classroom time is usually a couple evenings or weekend. Sadly very few take advantage these jobs nation wide [:(]
That is sad
I think that's best described by what marc said.
By the time they look for work they are too lazy to do the job or too spoiled by the free government money.
Many others outlined the problem too. Someone said 8th grade was the cuttoff point for deciding which way they will go meaning work or school but I think it is the cuttoff point for which way in life they will go; Work, School or prison/welfare. Trouble for kids starts alot earlier these days and most of these kids have no positive role model other than some ganster, rapper or sports star.
Those that complete the the programs can take advantage advantage of free job placement for LIFE. Medical lns for their families. Retirement too. Plus a chance to travel if they so wish. There is no age max either. Any race or sex too. 0f those that enter these only about 12% complete the program. Main reason they drop out failure to show up for work or school.
Jeez, where do I sign up? or maybe my son?
Ability to benifit should be the primary consideration in giving scholerships, grants, student loans, etc.
The fly in this ointment is, who makes the decision?
I'll guarantee-damn-tee you , though, there is a hell of a lot of people who are taking the free college money, and grants, and student loans, who don't have enough sense to not dance the tango with a boot full of thumbtacks.
Government waste. Everybody is a winner, without any consideration of ability to benifit from it.
I am going to say how things "should" be. I know I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, but here is my wish:
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
These evaluations have been tried and used, usually in communist countries. Free choice still remains to some extent. It is up to the parents and the child to map that path, not the school and not the government.
Trade schools do exist, one needs only to seek them out.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I am going to say how things "should" be. I know I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, but here is my wish:
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
These evaluations have been tried and used, usually in communist countries. Free choice still remains to some extent. It is up to the parents and the child to map that path, not the school and not the government.
Trade schools do exist, one needs only to seek them out.
the point was, there is already a United Negro College fund. I say take the money wasted there and use it for the United Negro Trade School fund. Hekp qualified Minority students get realistic jobs not just useless education. If something like that already exists, I have never heard of it.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I am going to say how things "should" be. I know I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, but here is my wish:
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
These evaluations have been tried and used, usually in communist countries. Free choice still remains to some extent. It is up to the parents and the child to map that path, not the school and not the government.
Trade schools do exist, one needs only to seek them out.
the point was, there is already a United Negro College fund. I say take the money wasted there and use it for the United Negro Trade School fund. Hekp qualified Minority students get realistic jobs not just useless education. If something like that already exists, I have never heard of it.
I will say your statement here generalizes and is VERY wrong!
If you were to take the number of blacks unemployed, how many of the 15.9% don't have educations? I'm betting the number of unemployed blacks WITH educations is far lower than that number.
I don't care if you are black, white, yellow, red or whatever color. Saying you don't need an education is well....JUST STUPID!
I was an auto tech for 38 years. Dealership level. I retired a couple years ago. When I began in 1971 things were looking good for steady pay raises, health benefits, vacation. It was Union country then. Economy was good and growing. The Japanese car invasion was just beginning. Today it is just the opposite. The Union has been busted by the Dealership Groups. There is no work, no vacations, no benefits whatsoever. My hourly wage has been slashed by 50%! The shop pays only flat rate. Why anybody would invest 20 grand + on tools and a box for a 12 to 16 dollars an hour job is beyond me. America is no longer geared up for "trade" jobs anymore. People like me have become obsolete. Black, White, Purple with yellow polkadots, I don't care. Nobody want's these jobs anymore because the people who do them are treated like third world citizens. Try to find a competant auto tech. these days. Good Luck!![:(][V][:(!][8]
BINGO!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I am going to say how things "should" be. I know I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, but here is my wish:
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
These evaluations have been tried and used, usually in communist countries. Free choice still remains to some extent. It is up to the parents and the child to map that path, not the school and not the government.
Trade schools do exist, one needs only to seek them out.
the point was, there is already a United Negro College fund. I say take the money wasted there and use it for the United Negro Trade School fund. Hekp qualified Minority students get realistic jobs not just useless education. If something like that already exists, I have never heard of it.
I will say your statement here generalizes and is VERY wrong!
If you were to take the number of blacks unemployed, how many of the 15.9% don't have educations? I'm betting the number of unemployed blacks WITH educations is far lower than that number.
I don't care if you are black, white, yellow, red or whatever color. Saying you don't need an education is well....JUST STUPID!
Who said that?...I am promoting an education program that helps minorities become employable first. A degree in liberal arts isn't going to make anyone employable in this day and age unless they continue to grad school. If they decide to seek further education at some time in the future maybe they could pay their own tuition.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I am going to say how things "should" be. I know I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, but here is my wish:
Somewhere around 8th grade, public school children should be carefully and extensively evaluated to answer the questions: Is this child college material? Does this child have the intelligence, organizational skills and study habits to make a good college student? Will the child qualify for grants? Do the parents have the means to pay for college?
After those questions are answered, the children should be divided into two groups. One group will go on to a high school curriculum geared toward preparing them for college, with minor emphasis on job skills. The other group will also take some academic courses, but the main focus of these four years will be vocational training.
Any high school graduate should be literate enough to complete a job application and write a resume, have math skills enough to complete his own Federal Income Tax forms, and the skill to earn a living doing something.
These evaluations have been tried and used, usually in communist countries. Free choice still remains to some extent. It is up to the parents and the child to map that path, not the school and not the government.
Trade schools do exist, one needs only to seek them out.
the point was, there is already a United Negro College fund. I say take the money wasted there and use it for the United Negro Trade School fund. Hekp qualified Minority students get realistic jobs not just useless education. If something like that already exists, I have never heard of it.
The point is, you missed my point
Trade school is not only good, but it's also necessary, however, to qualify a college education for blacks (or non whites for that matter) as useless is a long stretch.
Thank you.
As far as being able to achieve ones personal potential, it does not matter what color, what financial circumstance or into what enviroment anyone is born into, EVERYONE has the opportunity in America to achieve the highest personal and proffessional standard they may aspire to.
While one type of enviroment may pose more of a hurdle to overcome and to attain ones personal goal of achievement than another type of enviroment, the opportunity still exists to be all you can be...to coin a phrase.
The flipside of this, a lack of hurdles, does not guarantee nor does it mean the path to ones personal definition of success will be easily achieved either.
People are individuals, being individuals, everyone is different.
Given two individuals born into the same type enviroment, given the same opportunity at education, there will be one of the two individuals struggle more than the other while attaining their goal.
The bottom line is, the opportunity exists for everyone to achieve personal success, some will put in the extra work, take advantage of and MAKE their own opportunities while others will not.
Drive and desire cannot be taught or legislated...[;)]
The school is in KENYA!![}:)][}:)]
You would still have a bunch of 85 or less IQ poorly schooled jerks.
I had a friend who worked for one of the Alphabet programs working with blacks to teach them the construction industry .
Government supplied Vann and tools .
He had to pick up the "students" every morning .
After having some 300+ lb. "woman" whip his * for the third time ,he decided that they were beyond redemption and quit .