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States Rights

Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788
edited February 2017 in General Discussion
It has been very interesting to see the newly discovered Abiding Respect for States Rights coming from our principled friends on the Left.

I had an online discussion with one of our local leftists yesterday who was incensed that Trump was violating "States Rights" by working against sanctuary cities.

Now on the radio, I just heard the City Attorney of San Francisco say he was suing the federal government, and one of his peeves was the violation of "States Rights".

Hand that man a Confederate Flag and welcome him to the Right Side of History! [:D][:D][8D]

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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Trump is pulling federal funding from sanctuary cities. How is that a violation of state's rights?
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  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,925
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Trump is pulling federal funding from sanctuary cities. How is that a violation of state's rights?


    It's the same violation as pulling funding from states when the speed limit wasn't reduced to 55. ie: None, if done within the law.
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 14,654 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Trump is pulling federal funding from sanctuary cities. How is that a violation of state's rights?


    It's the same violation as pulling funding from states when the speed limit wasn't reduced to 55. ie: None, if done within the law.


    The problem is, the federal government has the financial power to implement this type of manipulation. But few realize that, and even fewer are willing to address it. The balance of power between local, county, state, and federal government level have long been tilted.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 14,466 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Trump is pulling federal funding from sanctuary cities. How is that a violation of state's rights?


    It's the same violation as pulling funding from states when the speed limit wasn't reduced to 55. ie: None, if done within the law.



    Bingo! We have a winner!


    Also the same as witholding fed education money if you don't do "No Child Left Behind" and "Common Core".

    Ahh those federal purse strings.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

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    Mark Twain
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 30,985 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The scumbag (D) mayor of Cincinnati Ohio declared that cesspool of crime and corruption a sanctuary city.

    I hope they go bust and have to come begging for money to keep the lights on.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Trump is pulling federal funding from sanctuary cities. How is that a violation of state's rights?


    It's the same violation as pulling funding from states when the speed limit wasn't reduced to 55. ie: None, if done within the law.



    Bingo! We have a winner!


    Also the same as witholding fed education money if you don't do "No Child Left Behind" and "Common Core".

    Ahh those federal purse strings.


    Funny I lived under the same rules when I was living on my parents dime. Live under my roof, play by my rules.
  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November -1
    Seems like if they claim their rights violated, aren't sanctuary cities violating my rights? By aiding and abetting criminals and violating constitutional law, they are infringing on my rights to a sovereign nation.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,841 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.

    I agree on the 16th, Don. But I am trying to recall the last time I heard someone on the left express support for states rights.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.

    I agree on the 16th, Don. But I am trying to recall the last time I heard someone on the left express support for states rights.
    So, not surprisingly, they're still wrong.[:I]
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    Some will die in hot pursuit
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    Some will fall in love with life
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  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 11,311
    edited November -1
    I've also heard SR quoted as a reason to reject a federal requirement for universal CCW reciprocity/recognition. While we all want the final result, some want it only if it is done by 50 different state legislatures and not coerced by a federal law.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,841 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.

    I agree on the 16th, Don. But I am trying to recall the last time I heard someone on the left express support for states rights.


    A valid point, Dads. I will ponder this evening, but it is no surprise a collectivist mentality would rarely find a time when such a claim would be considered necessary.

    They are doing it now, however.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • US Military GuyUS Military Guy Member Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.

    I agree on the 16th, Don. But I am trying to recall the last time I heard someone on the left express support for states rights.


    Colorado and marijuana?
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.

    I agree on the 16th, Don. But I am trying to recall the last time I heard someone on the left express support for states rights.


    Colorado and marijuana?
    Or WA & the five leaf? How about Calexit?
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    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Calexit is the best so far...and I am a "States Rightest" person..since 1861.....
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.exactly. and they ignore it when it doesn't.
  • randomnutrandomnut Member Posts: 881 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Trump is pulling federal funding from sanctuary cities. How is that a violation of state's rights?


    It's not. I think the OP was amazed to see the Dems actually mention states rights, they never have before.
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,627 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    It has been very interesting to see the newly discovered Abiding Respect for States Rights coming from our principled friends on the Left.

    I had an online discussion with one of our local leftists yesterday who was incensed that Trump was violating "States Rights" by working against sanctuary cities.

    Now on the radio, I just heard the City Attorney of San Francisco say he was suing the federal government, and one of his peeves was the violation of "States Rights".

    Hand that man a Confederate Flag and welcome him to the Right Side of History! [:D][:D][8D]


    Funny stfuff, Dads! [:D]
    What's next?
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    State's Rights started eroding and fading away when these United States became THE United States. The Constitution itself isn't the same document we started with. In my opinion most of the amendments to the Constitution after the first ten were mistakes.

    The Senate was originally intended to be the States representatives in the Federal Government and was elected by the legislatures of the States. The House of Representatives was the People's representatives and were elected by the people. In 1913 we discovered we are smarter than the founders and changed all that.

    The erosion has progressed until now we send our money to the Federal Government and they return it as they see fit to cover our expenses. Time was we sent money to the Fed to cover their expenses. You don't have to be Thomas Jefferson to know the power stays with the money.

    An argument can be made that eleven states surrendered their "State's Rights" at the point of a bayonet, but for the most part it was voluntary by everybody concerned.

    We are about to make another HUGE mistake when we amend the Constitution to elect the President of the United States by popular vote.

    The people who make these decisions may or may not have read the Constitution of the United States, but they damn sure don't understand it.
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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 53,466
    edited November -1
    What happened with states right and the Helmet law. Seems there are a bunch that do not require it. The Fed has not been able to make them change it.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,890 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.


    Including health care ?
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,841 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    What happened with states right and the Helmet law. Seems there are a bunch that do not require it. The Fed has not been able to make them change it.


    I would place marijuana, helmet laws, etc. more on the order of individual liberties as compared to States Rights. The power of the state to enforce helmet laws or to enforce prohibitions upon the sale and use of drugs is not being infringed.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,841 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.


    Including health care ?


    If you reference is to the 16th Amendment, the answer is obviously yes.

    Why do you ask?
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,890 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    The 16th Amendment states that Congress can spend monies collected from income taxes in any manner they see fit. This is obviously not a States' Rights issue.

    Funny how the both the left and the right cite the holy grail of States' Rights when it serves them.


    Including health care ?


    If you reference is to the 16th Amendment, the answer is obviously yes.

    Why do you ask?




    I enjoy gymnastics.

    [8D]
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
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