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he does not understand
moonshine
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This (person) has absolutely no concept of honor or love of country.
In brief remarks after laying the wreath and observing a moment of silence, Obama said he wondered why the country's fallen warriors felt a sense of duty and answered the call to serve, knowing they might have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
In brief remarks after laying the wreath and observing a moment of silence, Obama said he wondered why the country's fallen warriors felt a sense of duty and answered the call to serve, knowing they might have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
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He makes me want to hurl everytime I see his ugly mug.[xx(]
i can get away with saying that seeing as i`m not in america[;)]
Confederate and to a black memorial.
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that is about what happens everytime the man opens his mouth
You can almost hear the veterans rolling over in their graves....[V]
This (person) has absolutely no concept of honor or love of country.
In brief remarks after laying the wreath and observing a moment of silence, Obama said he wondered why the country's fallen warriors felt a sense of duty and answered the call to serve, knowing they might have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Would a socialist ever understand this?
If he does not understand why is he the President "Their Commander In Chief" Why should those serving continue to do so. He for sure does not have their best interest in mind.
Uggg.
yep...never a lone gunman around when you need one is there![}:)]
i can get away with saying that seeing as i`m not in america[;)]
<shudder> President Biden? No Thank you!
quote:Originally posted by dan kelly
yep...never a lone gunman around when you need one is there![}:)]
i can get away with saying that seeing as i`m not in america[;)]
<shudder> President Biden? No Thank you!
I think he must have meant several lone...
I think it should be a requirement to be a Veteran to hold that office....
And I respectfully disagree.
I never served, yet if called upon I would have, as have several family members. But, for Obama to 'not get it' only proves, yet again, how unqualified he is to be president, much less commander-in-chief.
I don't know about that but common sense would be a good requirement. This admin has none.
The real Barry
a must read!!!
---
*Joan Swirsky's analysis of Barack Obama's psychological profile is
a* *masterpiece. You will want to pass this along to your friends, as
Americans (and other "global citizens") are beginning to realize that
Obama isn't what he appeared to be during a theatrically orchestrated
campaign. _Does inner rage_ - not hope - _lie at the root of this man's
motivations?_ You decide.*
*Obama's Revenge*
*Posted by: Joan Swirsky 02/15/2009*
*Once upon a time, a white teenager from Kansas got pregnant by her
black Kenyan boyfriend, Barack Obama Sr., or was it her husband?
Whatever. (I say whatever because we've never seen either marriage or
divorce certificates). Some say the couple was in Kenya visiting
relatives when the birth of their son, Barack Obama Jr., occurred. No
matter.. (I say no matter because we've never seen an authentic birth
certificate). By the time the baby was two years old his father
abandoned him for his other wife and child in Kenya.*
*I wonder how toddler Barry felt when his father left him, and never
reappeared until a single time when the boy was 10. Bewildered? Sad?
Lonely? Angry? What do two-year-olds do with those feelings?*
*It didn't take long for Barry's mother to meet and marry an Indonesian
native named Lolo Soetoro.. They m oved to Indonesia, where her child
became Barry Soetoro, took on Indonesian citizenship, and was presumably
schooled in public, Christian, and Muslim schools. (I say presumably
because we've never seen those school records). But when Barry was 10
years old, his mother sent him back to the U.S. to be raised by her
parents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, although she kept her baby daughter
Maya Soetoro with her.*
*I wonder how the by-now fully-sentient young Barry felt when his mother
sent him packing. Sad? Jealous of the baby who remained behind with
mommy? Confused and dizzy by the disparate cultures - languages,
customs, foods, sights, sounds, schooling - he had experienced?
Resentful? What did Barry do with those feelings?*
*By the time he was 10, the boy had been abandoned three times - by his
father, stepfather, and mother. And although he was raised by his white
grandparents in Hawaii - where "people of color" were not his color - he
found out soon enough that his mixed-race background rendered him, in
effect, an outsider.. Did that make him feel self-conscious, indignant,
victimized? But he wasn't altogether an outsider. In Hawaii, young
Barry met Frank Marshall Thomas, his first and perhaps most influential
mentor. The infamous Marshall, a Communist activist (and self-confessed
pedophile) taught Barry - was it Obama, Soetero, Dunham? - that white
people were the devil incarnate and that blacks were the most
"victimized" people on earth.*
*Yet the abandoned and rejected child was lucky. His white-devil
grandparents gave him a comfortable life in Hawaii, and an education
that apparently qualified him to attend several prestigious schools -
Occidental College in CA, Columbia Univ. in NY City, and Harvard Law
School in Cambridge, MA. (I say apparently qualified because we've
never seen any of his college transcripts).*
**
*BARRY MORPHS INTO BARACK*
*After his undergraduate days at Columbia, Obama chose not to go to
graduate school, but instead held various jobs in the Big Apple and then
moved to Chicago to become a community organizer.. Although he had been
exposed to American exceptionalism through his life in the United States
and his privileged education, it is clear that his experiences in
impoverished Kenya and totalitarian Indonesia, as well as his exposure
to Marshall and the other radicals he had met during his years in New
York - among them the unrepentant domestic terrorists William Ayers and
Bernadine Dohrn of Weather Underground infamy - made the deepest and
most lasting impressions. Their messages of American imperialism and
its white-devil culture clearly resonated in the thrice-abandoned boy.
In his young-adult and adult years, free to choose his friends and
pursuits, he opted exclusively for far-left socialists and Marxists, and
activities aimed at relieving the suffering of people he perceived to be
as victimized as apparently he felt he had been.. He understood their
feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, and impotent rage, as well as
the pain of fatherlessness. After all, his Harvard-educated father
consciously chose to leave him. And his mother gave him away. Was that
depressing to Barry? Infuriating?*
**
*When given the opportunity to join one of dozens of churches in
Chicago, Barry - who had morphed into Barack - opted for the Trinity
United Church of Christ, which was led by the fire-breathing Rev.
Jeremiah Wright, whose decades-long anti-American and anti-Semitic rants
apparently resonated in Obama's rejected and abandoned heart and soul.
(I say apparently resonated because in over 20 years of regular
attendance, Obama said he heard nothing inflammatory or anti-American,
and we've never seen the videotapes of any sermon, although each one was
unfailingly recorded). "God damn America," Wright raged. "The chickens
have come home to roost," he "preached" to his whooping and hollering
congregation after 9/11. Obama heard nothing.*
**
*But it wasn't only Wright who Obama was attracted to in Chicago. He
was also drawn to another hate-spewing radical, Rev. Louis Farrakhan, as
well as to the raving Father Michael Phleger, the radical Islamist
Khalid Rashidi, his friends and neighbors the Ayers, and to
equally-close friends "Tony" and Rita Rezko - Tony being the notorious
"fixer" and now-convicted-and-imprisoned felon for fraud, bribery, and
money laundering. What did the seemingly mild-mannered Obama find so
irresistible in these angry and/or crooked people and others like them?
Was it the same thing that a shy man finds in his attraction to a
flamboyant girlfriend - and alter-ego, a person who expresses what he
really feels but is unable to give voice to? In these relationships and
in community organizing - which offers inner-city mostly-black residents
job training, tutoring, and methods to organize tenants'-rights groups
and voter-registration drives, etc. - the twenty-something Obama
apparently found his calling, and also a renewed and burning ambition.*
**
*WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE*
*While his community-organizing job paid a paltry $12,000 or so per
year, Obama somehow managed to pay his way through one of the priciest
graduate schools in the world, Harvard Law School. (I say somehow
managed because we have no record of his tuition payments). Even more
amazing, he became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review
without ever producing a written paper - or at least a paper that the
public has ever read.*
**
*There is a good deal of evidence that Obama's acceptance at Harvard Law
- and his tuition - were facilitated by friends who had a vested
interest in the community organizer. Among them was Percy Sutton, a
former Manhattan borough president and ardent leftist, who was also
Malcolm X's lawyer. In an interview last year, the octogenarian Sutton
stated: "I was introduced to [Obama] by a friend. The friend's name
was Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, and the introduction took place about 20
years ago." Sutton described al-Mansour as "the principle adviser to
one of the world's richest men" and suggested that al-Mansour was
raising money for Obama. Knowing that Sutton had friends at Harvard,
al-Mansour asked him if he would write a letter to Harvard recommending
Obama, which Sutton did most agreeably. This took place about 1988 when
27-year-old Obama was applying Harvard Law.*
**
*Journalist Jack Cashill has credibly speculated that Obama's two
memoirs were actually written by his pal Bill Ayers, who was and is
a University of Illinois at Chicago English professor, having escaped
life in prison on a technicality. Two years [after he was admitted to
law school], Cashill writes, "while still a law student, Obama
improbably received an advance to write a memoir that would be called
`Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance,' which was
published in 1995." His second memoir, published in 2006, was "The
Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream." (I
suspect Cashill said "improbably received an advance"
because, as stated earlier, Obama had not produced even one paper or
distinguished himself in any way to have inspired a major publishing
company to approach him).*
**
*All this begs the question: Who writes two memoirs about himself
before the age of 45? My own speculation is that it could be no one but
a narcissist. As most people know in this age of pop psychology, the
psychiatric disorder of narcissism derives from the Greek myth in which
Narcissus, a handsome young man, became obsessed with himself and fell
in love with his own image as he gazed into a pool of water. A lot of
people have some degree of narcissism, which is characterized by
grandiosity, an unquenchable need for admiration, unhealthy
self-absorption, dependence on the affirmation of others, and also a
lack of empathy, which is hidden by both personal charm and the kind of
earnest language that pretends to "feel your pain." Or he could be a
malignant narcissist., which psychiatrist Dr. Otto Kernberg, a legendary
leader in thought disorders, compares to a narcissist on steroids. This
variety involves paranoid traits (think of Obama's thin-skinned,
quasi-hysterical reactions to Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin), and
ego-syntonic aggression, which means the person is perfectly in-sync
with people who have the courage he lacks to lash out. But consider the
source! Obama's father was a self-aggrandizing narcissist who thought
nothing of throwing his son away to fulfill his own ambitions and his
mother also threw him away for the same reason. Talk about DNA, which
Obama perfectly exhibited when, during his campaign, he unflinchingly
dispensed with both his white grandmother and his black "mentor" Rev.
Wright for his personal ambition.*
**
*GROOMING THE PERFECT MARXIST CANDIDATE*
*This leads me to only one conclusion, which I wrote about in a former
article: "Obama: The Trojan Horse." My theory is that President Obama's
narcissistic charm, even temperament, skill with words (teleprompter
included), hunger to please, radical agenda, and subterranean rage at
the "unfair" American system have been brilliantly exploited by powerful
leftist radicals and Marxists in the United States, who for decades have
plotted America's path to socialism. He is their pawn, totally
dispensable but handy while the "aura" lasts.. These "handlers" saw in
Obama the ideal blank slate on which to actualize their agenda, and they
made sure the slate remained blank by concealing (or destroying) any
evidence of his past, including his birth certificate, Selective Service
record, visa(s), school transcripts, and other vital documents. All of
which is costing his moneyed backers - including America-loathing
billionaire George Soros - multimillions in lawyers' fees to fight the
proliferating lawsuits that seek the truth about this stealth
president. In fact, former ambassador Alan Keyes, one of the many
plaintiffs seeking proof of Obama's American citizenship, has reported
that Obama's lawyers have now filed a motion "to quash our effort to
obtain the relevant documents...[which] confirms Obama's ruthless
determination to destroy anyone who continues to seek the information
the Constitution requires. Obama thus signals his intent to bring
financial ruin on those who won't accept his cover-up of the
circumstances of his birth is a tactical escalation. It confirms the
common sense suspicion that he won't act forthrightly in this matter
because he has something to hide."*
**
*It is clear that Obama and his fellow radicals are restive. In the
less-than four weeks of his presidency, the new president has taken
volumes from the Marxian handbook, which dictates that the stupid masses
be blitzed with an overload of information, hollow press conferences,
appointments, dismantling of formerly effective national-security
programs, et al., in order to set the stage for a massive, Soviet-style
takeover of our government, including a civilian national security force
that Obama has said should be "just as powerful, strong and well-funded
as the U.S. military." Echoes of Nazi Grmany in 1938, anyone?
According to writer Kyle-Anne Shrive, in Obama's ascendance: "We have
yet to see a more perfect collision of Murphy's Law with the Peter
Principle. In only three weeks' time, [he] has signaled to every
terrorist on the planet that we are a sorry, groveling, ashamed nation
ready to come to the diplomatic confessional. He is closing Gitmo
within one year, has suspended trials there, and dismissed the charges
against the U.S.S. Cole plotter. [He] has just put our money where his
mouth is and is using $20.3 million to bring in Palestinian refugees
from Gaza...[he] had the gall to pronounce the so-called economic
stimulus bill absolutely free of `earmarks' and `make-do work'...but
according to the Congressional Budget Office [this bill] will do worse
to our overall economy than no government action whatsoever." And Obama
has done all this with the predictable double-speak that characterizes
malevolent intention, i.e., touting transparency while concealing
everything, speaking of integrity while appointing crooks and
incompetents riddled with conflicts-of-interest, supporting energy
independence while killing off-shore and domestic oil-drilling and
nuclear power, and feigning optimism while he speaks of impending
"catastrophe" in order to push through a pork-laden,
trillion-dollar-plus Stimulus plan that rewards the corrupt voter-fraud
organization Acorn with billions and unions with discriminatory
union-only labor agreements, paves the way for socialized medicine, and
threatens to take away the most cherished rights of We The People. *
**
*As blogger Eric Gurr has said: "We still talk about the health care
crisis, the environmental crisis, the oil crisis, the banking crisis.
Let me tell you my friends you are about to learn the meaning of the
only crisis that matters, the survival crisis.."*
**
*You can be sure that the sad-lonely-angry two-year-old, the
jealous-confused-resentful 10-year-old, the self-conscious-
cheated-victimized adolescent, and the man who found solace in and
identified with his hate-America mentors is now determined to redeem all
of his demons. Unfortunately, he is acting out his rage on free-market
capitalism, a free press, property and gun rights, a limited
constitutional government, protection of the unborn, and everything else
that is good and great about our country.*
*This is Obama's revenge!*
**
*Joan Swirsky (http://www.joanswirsky.com
<http://www.joanswirsky.com/>/) is a New York-based author and
journalist who can be reached at joansharon@aol.com
<http://us.mc1122.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joansharon@aol.com>.*
The statement that 'If our country were threatened I'd have served' is a cop out. In our world a threat always exists. The fact that we maintain a strong military force is what has kept enemy nations at bay over all these years.
I don't really get how anyone could claim to be a hardcore American yet choose to not serve at least a single enlistment in our military.
The statement that 'If our country were threatened I'd have served' is a cop out. In our world a threat always exists. The fact that we maintain a strong military force is what has kept enemy nations at bay over all these years.
Then you can be grouped with O for all I care. What percentage of Americans have actually served? Are you saying that all the rest, who have not served, cannot be a "hardcore" American? Do you really think that those who have not served do not appreciate those who have? Do you think than only a veteran/active duty military can get a tear in their eye while singing the National Anthem? Your strong military force is kept that way because there are non-military engineers and researchers who develop the planes, bombs, and other technologies that allow the US military to be the best. Combine that with the boots on the ground (or on the controls if you will) and that is what makes the military strong.
You can think it is a cop-out if you want. The truth is that there are many ways to serve your country. Military is one of them but not the only one.
Hell, I even ask myself when I was in Vietnam "What the Hell am I doing here and why?
Are you saying that all the rest, who have not served, cannot be a "hardcore" American?Let's try this again...[:D]
quote:Originally posted by Txs
I don't really get how anyone could claim to be a hardcore American yet choose to not serve at least a single enlistment in our military.I agree that these people's skills are invaluable, but becoming 'non-military engineers and researchers who develop the planes, bombs, and other technologies that allow the US military to be the best' is not a barrier to serving at least a single enlistment, either before or after entering such career fields.
I suppose I should now take my 8 years of college education and my 30 years in the medical field treating people like you and your worst nightmares to some other country because I didn't serve...
That is one of the most self absorbed statements I have ever heard.
quote:Originally posted by Rocky4winds
Are you saying that all the rest, who have not served, cannot be a "hardcore" American?Let's try this again...[:D]
quote:Originally posted by Txs
I don't really get how anyone could claim to be a hardcore American yet choose to not serve at least a single enlistment in our military.I agree that these people's skills are invaluable, but becoming 'non-military engineers and researchers who develop the planes, bombs, and other technologies that allow the US military to be the best' is not a barrier to serving at least a single enlistment, either before or after entering such career fields.
I tire quickly of debates on threads, particularly when they hijack the thread.[:)]
I do think it WOULD be honorable for ALL to serve a term of military service, but it is not practical for all to serve, nor is it necessary to instill a sense of patriotism or to be your "hardcore American." My wife's grandpa (Korean War Vet), though, thinks it would be a good idea for the young whippersnappers today to go through boot camp, if not a tour of duty, to instill discipline in them (though curiously none of his three boys ever served).
For students coming out of HS there are many options for them. You would probably say that they can pursue any and all of them after serving a term in the military. You would be right. You would also be pushing a communistic viewpoint which is not in keeping with established American values which allow all to choose their own way for better or for worse.
Was John Adams not a "hardcore American"? What about Thomas Jefferson? Abraham Lincoln?
Why would anyone WANT a larger but less well armed (aka "soviet style") military???
don't get me wrong, I think the idea of every citizen serving their nation is a noble idea...but in practice I think it would set us back. It would likely be a return to yesterday's "conscript army", which is inferior to the high-tech professional force we have today.
quote:The president also sought to dodge a racial controversy the holiday, sending wreaths to a monument for Confederate soldiers and a memorial honoring more than 200,000 blacks who fought for the Union during the Civil War.
the opposite of black is not confederate.
The southern states were trying to do what states like montana, Texas Utah and others are doing now, which is simply to retain their rights as a sovreign entity while the federal government is attempting to take away their rights to govern themselves.
I imagine there will be a new civil war of sorts, I only hope we have it without resorting to killing our brothers this time.
I tire quickly of debates on threads, particularly when they hijack the thread.[:)]
I do think it WOULD be honorable for ALL to serve a term of military service, but it is not practical for all to serve, nor is it necessary to instill a sense of patriotism or to be your "hardcore American."
For students coming out of HS there are many options for them. You would probably say that they can pursue any and all of them after serving a term in the military. You would be right. You would also be pushing a communistic viewpoint which is not in keeping with established American values which allow all to choose their own way for better or for worse.There's really no hijacking taking place. The fact is that Obama had the option, but flat out declined military service. This is just one of many reasons reason I lack respect for him when I see him wrap himself in our flag.
I'm not sure how you reach this conclusion, but it's not impractical that all who are physically capable serve at least one enlistment. No one's saying everyone has to become a snake-eater here. There are many necessary behind the scenes support personnel people within our military who serve in a similar fashion to those engineers and such you spoke of. Doing your part to keep all this going is a matter of paying dues to keep your country strong in a very dangerous world.
Notice too I never stated military service should be mandatory. It's a matter of choice, but failure to do so and then choosing to shout from the mountain tops about what a solid citizen you are - as Obama does - makes little sense.
But the man who is the #1 leader of these Forces should have served.
How many times has he listened to his top generals, On what experience does he base these decisions if he has never served.
question: if every 18 year old enlisted, where would we find the $$$ to arm them to the technologically sophisticated level that our professional military is armed?So those who decline to contribute even a few years from any period of their lives peforming some sort of function within our military are actually doing their patriotic duty?
Okay. [;)]
Like I said, no one should be required to serve in our military and I don't actively dog those who choose not to, but I'm less than impressed when I see these people painting themselves as hard-core patriotic Americans....and I damn sure wouldn't vote for one as President.
As long as he is thankful that those resting there made that choice with a free mind, that is what counts.
Do I think he is? Different question.....
quote:Originally posted by moonshine
This (person) has absolutely no concept of honor or love of country.
In brief remarks after laying the wreath and observing a moment of silence, Obama said he wondered why the country's fallen warriors felt a sense of duty and answered the call to serve, knowing they might have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
John Adams, John Quincy Adams, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson,(WW1) Franklin D. Roosevelt(WW2) are a a few of the dozen presidents without military traning.What you're doing is underlining the feeling of most Americans since this country has existed. Only 12 Presidents since 1789 haven't been veterans.
At risk of straying this thread off topic, coincidentally our longest run of non-veteran Presidents sure gave us some wonderful things between 1909 and 1945. Federal income tax, the Great Depression, the International Monetary Fund and nanny government programs such as Social Security are among my favorites.
No, I wouldn't have voted for any of those you listed.
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Although not your intent - you make the point that presidents who did not serve in military made lousy presidents. By the way, you forgot to put slick willie Clinton on your list.
I don't think O would have made it in the mulitary. He strikes me as being a coward.
John Adams, John Quincy Adams, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson,(WW1) Franklin D. Roosevelt(WW2) are a a few of the dozen presidents without military traning... so none of them should have been elected because they are not hard-core patriots. Interesting..........
No, but wonder if we were to compare his Cabinet to theirs. Especially Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt you may notice that there is more of the military represented there than now. Maybe not but would be willing to bet.
Know that Franklin D. Roosevelt had many fine Generals from which he could bounce Ideas off of. Many of those were young Officers from WWI who learned by Experience.
May have to do some research on this. Got me thinking now.