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Sad statements on view of welfare from within

BikerBobBikerBob Member Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭
edited November 2013 in General Discussion
This audio from a 32 year old recipient from Texas provides some interesting insight from inside the system. I certainly can't condone her views, but we've turned 'help' into something it wasn't intended to be. Very sad what's been created.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/11/texas-welfare-recipient-says-working-is_29.html

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    Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
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    The stake to the heart of welfare is that it sets people up in a situation that most are unable to escape from. An unmarried mother with one child is supported by the government to a standard of living equivalent to a job where she would earn about $25/hour. this is due to the several subsidies along with the standard welfare grant. If she goes to work or gets married the grant and subsidies are reduced or completely eliminated. Thus the unintended consequence of helping the young mother is that they have created a situation from which there is no escape.
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    austin20austin20 Member Posts: 34,962 ✭✭✭✭
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    And the deadbeat dads do nothing to help.
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    RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
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    I know a woman 28 years old that has three kids and no husband. She can't afford to work. She has a high school diploma and can only get ten dollar an hour jobs and most of the time eight dollars an hour. Child care would be at least one hundred and twenty five a week. Rent is 5/6 hundred a month around here. Electric will run about $70.00. Heat will run about $100.00. Food would run at least $150.00 a week because it runs over $100.00 a week for me and the wife. Add to that Insurance, gas and upkeep for a 14 year old car. The kids have to get clothes which she buys at Good Will anyway. Do the math. Her husband left 5 years ago and she don't know where he is at.
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    chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 13,784 ✭✭✭✭
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    I noticed the radio channel was KLBJ.
    The democrat father of the "war on poverty"
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    austin20austin20 Member Posts: 34,962 ✭✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by Rosie
    I know a woman 28 years old that has three kids and no husband. She can't afford to work. She has a high school diploma and can only get ten dollar an hour jobs and most of the time eight dollars an hour. Child care would be at least one hundred and twenty five a week. Rent is 5/6 hundred a month around here. Electric will run about $70.00. Heat will run about $100.00. Food would run at least $150.00 a week because it runs over $100.00 a week for me and the wife. Add to that Insurance, gas and upkeep for a 14 year old car. The kids have to get clothes which she buys at Good Will anyway. Do the math. Her husband left 5 years ago and she don't know where he is at.
    Deadbeat dads are the lowest form of scum.
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    1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
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    nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,880 ✭✭✭✭
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    Well, there is a federal agency (Office of Child Support Enforcement) in DHHS that tracks down deadbeat dads & makes them pay. True, if they stay off the grid & get paid under the table, they may not get caught. But, a lot of them do.

    I thought that Slick Willie changed the law to limit welfare for parents of young children to 5 years, after which they were cut off. Has that changed?

    When her youngest child turns 18, she sure will get cut off, unless she is disabled. Seems to me that there should be a permanent sterilization requirement for those who can't support the kids that they have.

    Neal
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    austin20austin20 Member Posts: 34,962 ✭✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    Well, there is a federal agency (Office of Child Support Enforcement) in DHHS that tracks down deadbeat dads & makes them pay. True, if they stay off the grid & get paid under the table, they may not get caught. But, a lot of them do.

    I thought that Slick Willie changed the law to limit welfare for parents of young children to 5 years, after which they were cut off. Has that changed?

    When her youngest child turns 18, she sure will get cut off, unless she is disabled. Seems to me that there should be a permanent sterilization requirement for those who can't support the kids that they have.Neal
    It should be castration for the deadbeat dads.
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    Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    Well, there is a federal agency (Office of Child Support Enforcement) in DHHS that tracks down deadbeat dads & makes them pay. True, if they stay off the grid & get paid under the table, they may not get caught. But, a lot of them do.

    I thought that Slick Willie changed the law to limit welfare for parents of young children to 5 years, after which they were cut off. Has that changed?

    When her youngest child turns 18, she sure will get cut off, unless she is disabled. Seems to me that there should be a permanent sterilization requirement for those who can't support the kids that they have.

    Neal


    The establishment and enforcement of child support is left largely up to individual states. There is a great deal of difference between the states regarding the amounts and how it is collected. To say that "deadbeat dads" are whatever is to ignore several facts. the mentioned changes during the Clinton years changed the federal welfare system from Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). The idea was based on the premise that AFDC did not give the families enough to break the poverty cycle, so several programs were instituted, increased rent, day care, clothing (business suits, etc), car repairs, food, tuition and other payments supposedly on a temporary basis to provide enough money to get the parent jump-started into the working world. The limit was sixty months. However governors such as our socialist in Washington, Gary Locke over-rode this limitation and made the program open-ended in WA.

    Generally there is more to most stories of "deadbeat dads" than meets the eye. There are also deadbeat moms. there are also parents that let the kids starve so that they can entertain new friends- but the lowest that I have ever seen are those losers that for whatever they have, seem to attract girls with low self-esteem and have nothing short of a harem. I know of one fellow that came into the office with four girls in tow; two of them had infants of which he was the father, one was about seven months pregnant and the other was about 3 months pregnant. this was only four of the revolving door that he had, with a total of more than a dozen children he had fathered in a period of less than three years. NOW THERE was a case where an ax and a chopping block would have served nicely.
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    austin20austin20 Member Posts: 34,962 ✭✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by Ray B
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    Well, there is a federal agency (Office of Child Support Enforcement) in DHHS that tracks down deadbeat dads & makes them pay. True, if they stay off the grid & get paid under the table, they may not get caught. But, a lot of them do.

    I thought that Slick Willie changed the law to limit welfare for parents of young children to 5 years, after which they were cut off. Has that changed?

    When her youngest child turns 18, she sure will get cut off, unless she is disabled. Seems to me that there should be a permanent sterilization requirement for those who can't support the kids that they have.

    Neal


    The establishment and enforcement of child support is left largely up to individual states. There is a great deal of difference between the states regarding the amounts and how it is collected. To say that "deadbeat dads" are whatever is to ignore several facts. the mentioned changes during the Clinton years changed the federal welfare system from Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). The idea was based on the premise that AFDC did not give the families enough to break the poverty cycle, so several programs were instituted, increased rent, day care, clothing (business suits, etc), car repairs, food, tuition and other payments supposedly on a temporary basis to provide enough money to get the parent jump-started into the working world. The limit was sixty months. However governors such as our socialist in Washington, Gary Locke over-rode this limitation and made the program open-ended in WA.

    Generally there is more to most stories of "deadbeat dads" than meets the eye. There are also deadbeat moms. there are also parents that let the kids starve so that they can entertain new friends- but the lowest that I have ever seen are those losers that for whatever they have, seem to attract girls with low self-esteem and have nothing short of a harem. I know of one fellow that came into the office with four girls in tow; two of them had infants of which he was the father, one was about seven months pregnant and the other was about 3 months pregnant. this was only four of the revolving door that he had, with a total of more than a dozen children he had fathered in a period of less than three years. NOW THERE was a case where an ax and a chopping block would have served nicely.Amen
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