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U.S. Intercepts Intercontinental Ballistic Missle

droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,925
edited June 2017 in General Discussion
Yep,, test was a success, said it was like hitting a bullet with a bullet.

BOOM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/30/north-korea-eyed-as-us-readies-missile-defense-test.html

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  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    There's several ways you can go about killing a reentry vehicle using a single interceptor or a shotgun approach. What was done today is not that hard.

    What is a game changer is a stealth or invisible reentry vehicle. If you can't track it, you can't kill it.
    This will require some kind of force field or electronic shield in place. EHF radar on satellites might work or following the flight path from launch, but the satellites would also need chemical lasers or some kind of projected energy weapon. I don't think EMP would work against a reentry vehicle.

    I think Kim will be gone before that technology hits the street.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dear Gerbil Boy,

    If you ever decide to push that Big Red Button, you should know that yours may not make it to us, but ours (and we do mean plural) are sure as hell going to get to you. And we KNOW where you are.

    You play cards? That's what's known as a TRUMP.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,561 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,758 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    Dear Gerbil Boy,

    If you ever decide to push that Big Red Button, you should know that yours may not make it to us, but ours (and we do mean plural) are sure as hell going to get to you. And we KNOW where you are.

    You play cards? That's what's known as a TRUMP.


    I pray to God above and all that is holy that we don't retaliate with nukes!! Carpet bomb, artillary and MOAB the place but us using a modern nuke in retaliation will be bad. We have a lot of troops over there and not all Koreans need vaporized.
  • dog1944dog1944 Member Posts: 295 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nothing new we built a system that worked 40 years ago.
    Proved it on Kwajalein built one in North Dakota had it up and running
    and it got shut down with less then 24 hours of up time
    Google safe guard missile system
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 38,925
    edited November -1
    sabotage the one semi going into NK and the whole country will starve
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    Dear Gerbil Boy,

    If you ever decide to push that Big Red Button, you should know that yours may not make it to us, but ours (and we do mean plural) are sure as hell going to get to you. And we KNOW where you are.

    You play cards? That's what's known as a TRUMP.


    I pray to God above and all that is holy that we don't retaliate with nukes!! Carpet bomb, artillary and MOAB the place but us using a modern nuke in retaliation will be bad. We have a lot of troops over there and not all Koreans need vaporized.


    China will take care of it for us. I haven't heard to the 150,000 man task force being withdrawn from the border yet. It is to their advantage to do it.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,840 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dog1944
    Nothing new we built a system that worked 40 years ago.
    Proved it on Kwajalein built one in North Dakota had it up and running
    and it got shut down with less then 24 hours of up time
    Google safe guard missile system


    Intercepting the warhead or platform of multiple warheads in the sub-orbital is an entirely different problem than intercepting warheads in the terminal phase. We havent't done it before, and it is a significant technological and political developement.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,925
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    Dear Gerbil Boy,

    If you ever decide to push that Big Red Button, you should know that yours may not make it to us, but ours (and we do mean plural) are sure as hell going to get to you. And we KNOW where you are.

    You play cards? That's what's known as a TRUMP.


    I pray to God above and all that is holy that we don't retaliate with nukes!! Carpet bomb, artillary and MOAB the place but us using a modern nuke in retaliation will be bad. We have a lot of troops over there and not all Koreans need vaporized.


    The U.S. does not need to drop a BIG NUKE. Half a dozen small size that are "cleaner". If not, a few more should get the job done.

    The guy thinks he's God and so do the citizens, people like that need to be stopped immediately, preferably NO LOSS of american lives.

    Nuke(s) dropped on Japan in WWII were estimated to save 50K american troops and millions of Japanese.

    http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/how-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-saved-millions-of-lives/
  • BikerBobBikerBob Member Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It may have been said here before but the only way out of this without a huge bloodbath is for China to intercede.

    The N Koreans have thousands of ground based artillery within range of ~ 20 million people in Seoul and Inceon alone, probably another million in smaller towns also in range for conventional weapons along the boarder.

    There are over 7 million more people in 9 majors coastal cities. Not saying the NK Navy could hit them all, But that means over 21 million people in a country of ~ 50 million in range without anyone crossing the border.

    Maybe .5 million in NK also in range of the border in a country of ~ 21 million.

    Seems like no way anything can end well if it starts, even with just conventional weapons from the north.
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,925
    edited November -1
    This doesn't really look all that hard. F150 rim lug nuts, old propane cylinders, scrap tube, some old air conditioning hoses, it'll soon have a DIY YouTube video[:D]
    kill_vehicle.jpg


    The "EKV" seeks out missile threats and demolishes them out in space before they even have the chance to come near American home soil.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/05/30/missile-test-puts-raytheon-s-kill-vehicle-and-boeing-s-shield-together-to-pulverize-enemy-icbms.html
  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    We already have an airborne directed energy weapon, ground based directed energy weapons, and extraterritorial versions as well.
    We've had lasers with punch since '89.
    You can bet there's more than a few of those 747s floating around out in that area....
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Who said this isn't really all that hard? Do we have a genius here?
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member, Moderator Posts: 16,635 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by dog1944
    Nothing new we built a system that worked 40 years ago.
    Proved it on Kwajalein built one in North Dakota had it up and running
    and it got shut down with less then 24 hours of up time
    Google safe guard missile system


    Intercepting the warhead or platform of multiple warheads in the sub-orbital is an entirely different problem than intercepting warheads in the terminal phase. We havent't done it before, and it is a significant technological and political developement.


    They have not demonstrated a reliable single much less a MIRV capability.



    Run silent. Run deep...

    Go NAVY
  • dog1944dog1944 Member Posts: 295 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    We had multiple intercepts at all levels at Kwajalien.
    Spent way to much time in ND getting the thing going then
    to have it killed it worked for the tech at the time
    it was good.
    No genius but spent two years of my life working on it
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,887 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Put the warhead onto a fishing boat, sail into the Pacific, transfer to a cargo ship, and sail into US port.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,840 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dog1944
    We had multiple intercepts at all levels at Kwajalien.
    Spent way to much time in ND getting the thing going then
    to have it killed it worked for the tech at the time
    it was good.
    No genius but spent two years of my life working on it



    I would imagine it did not die in that much of the knowledge gained was used in the upgrade of the Patriot to PAC-2 and PAC-3 anti-ballistic missile configuration.

    Did not intend to suggest anything negative about the Safe Guard System, only that it had a very different mission than the interceptor tested Tuesday. As you note both of these systems stretch or stretched the available technology.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The weak link here is If a MIRV warhead just aborted it's target and ejected it's payload earlier without getting a final fix on targeting. The missile would have to be destroyed in it first 15 minutes of flight to be effective.

    In Vietnam The b-52's came down when The Russians just turn off all electronics on the Sam Missiles and detonated them at a set predetermined altitude and firing the SAM's off the launch pad to intercept the bombing run manually on the ground. A dumb projectile has a better chance getting through with electronic counter- counter measures.

    serf
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    Put the warhead onto a fishing boat, sail into the Pacific, transfer to a cargo ship, and sail into US port.


    They have sniffing technology to find nuclear devices.With Technology of seeing all ships and boats at sea coming/going into ports. An conventional EMP bomb would be their best bet.

    serf

    https://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/blog/2016/05/drone-week-bomb-sniffing-uavs-can-detect-nuclear-weapons

    The U.S. military is (rightly so) interested in further developing this technology, with the U.S. Navy hopeful that it can be adapted to detect mines at the bottom of the sea. (Currently, the hydrogen in water slows down neutrons, making it impossible to detect an explosive unless it?s located within three feet of the water?s surface).
  • dog1944dog1944 Member Posts: 295 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When you get old you some time spend to much time thinking of things like that.
    It was a big disappointment we where ready to go to Baltimore to build the second one six where on the books at that time.
    Nixon signed the salt two treaty and a whole bunch of us found our self unemployed
    Have you ever saw a 24 ft klystron tube, we where worried that the
    MSR would cook Canadian geese as they flew over head.
    The Canadians were not to hot on the nuc armed sprint intercepting
    in their air space
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