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Buying a Street Sweeper from a private party?

PieceofpaperPieceofpaper Member Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 2006 in Ask the Experts
A fellow here in town has a Cobray Street Sweeper on form 4 for sale. What fees do I/we have to pay in order for me to legally get the gun from him?

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    iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    finger print fees, tax stamp, whatever a class 3 dealer wants to charge for his paperwork/time
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    cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Believe it or not, you don't have to use a Class 3 dealer for instate NFA transfers. You can get the Form 4, print cards, citizenship cards, CLEO and fill them out and send them in to BATFE.
    This only saves the dealer fee.

    CP
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    scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    whats the fellows name?
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    PieceofpaperPieceofpaper Member Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    whats the fellows name?


    His name is Eric or Kevin... I think.... Not sure what that has to do with anything.
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    scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    the ATF required all streetsweepers be registered by may of '01 any that were not registered by that date are illegal. the potential fine and 10 years in jail looms. there is no way to get an unregistered gun registered after the fact....you can turn the gun over to save your tail....
    Some people will try to tell you the law was repealed with the assault weapons ban on sept of 04 but that is not the case for the streetsweeper....
    here is a letter from BATF:

    U.S. Department of Justice

    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,

    Firearms and Explosives

    Washington, DC 20226



    CHANGES IN FEDERAL LAW AS OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2004

    RELATING TO SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS (SAWs)

    AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (LCAFDs)

    GENERAL

    As of September 13, 2004, the provisions of Public Law 103-322, the Violent Crime Control and
    Law Enforcement Act of 1994, covering semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity
    ammunition feeding devices are no longer in effect. The regulations implementing these
    provisions also are no longer in effect.

    Specifically, there is no longer a Federal prohibition on the manufacture, transfer, and possession
    of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

    There are no longer any marking requirements for semiautomatic assault weapons and large
    capacity ammunition feeding devices. Existing markings on firearms and magazines relating to
    law enforcement or government use may be disregarded.

    There is no longer any Federal requirement for Federal firearms licensees to obtain certain
    documentation before transferring semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity
    ammunition feeding devices to government agencies or law enforcement officers. However,
    any records obtained prior to September 13, 1994, pertaining to the sale or transfer of
    semiautomatic assault weapons must still be retained for a period of 5 years. See 27 CFR ?
    478.129(f). Moreover, records of importation and manufacture must be maintained permanently
    and licensees must maintain all other acquisition and disposition records for 20 years.

    Licensees who provided letters of future intent to sell semiautomatic assault weapons and large
    capacity ammunition feeding devices to law enforcement agencies and other qualified customers
    are no longer obligated to comply with such letters.

    Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or
    large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law
    since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time.

    IMPORTATION

    The prohibition on the importation of non-sporting firearms under 18 U.S.C. section 922(l) and
    925(d)(3) still applies.

    Importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices still is covered under the Arms Export
    Control Act. Therefore an approved permit still is required to import large capacity magazines.
    Temporary importation of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity magazines is now
    lawful under the provisions of 27 CFR ? 478.115(d) because temporary importations are not
    subject to the sporting purpose test.

    Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to the
    assault weapon ban should comply with the restriction because the weapons most likely are nonsporting.
    Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to large
    capacity ammunition feeding devices may disregard the restriction. Importers may apply for a
    new permit if they prefer.

    ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES

    FROM IMPORTED PARTS

    The prohibition on assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported
    parts as provided under 18 U.S.C. ? 922(r) and 27 CFR ? 478.39 still applies.

    SENTENCING ENHANCEMENTS

    The sentencing enhancements for using semiautomatic assault weapons in a crime of violence or
    drug trafficking crime no longer are in effect. Similarly, the sentencing enhancements for
    semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines no longer are in effect.

    LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS

    Law enforcement officers and police departments who obtained semiautomatic assault weapons
    are no longer required to use such firearms only for official use.
    Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer semiautomatic assault
    weapons to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.
    Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer large capacity
    ammunition feeding devices to anybody.

    Signed statements that semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding
    devices will be used for official use are no longer required to be provided to Federal firearms
    licensees.

    RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

    Federal law does not prohibit retiring law enforcement officers from keeping semiautomatic
    assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
    Former law enforcement officers who received semiautomatic assault weapons on retirement
    may now transfer those firearms to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.
    Transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices is no longer restricted.

    NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT

    All provisions of the National Firearms Act relating to registration and transfer of machineguns,
    short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons made from
    shotguns, any other weapons as defined in Title 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e), silencers, and
    destructive devices still apply.

    Registered silencers can now be attached to semiautomatic rifles and pistols without creating a
    prohibited semiautomatic assault weapon.
    USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under
    ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.

    EFFECT ON STATE LAW

    Expiration of the Federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances.
    Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local
    authorities.
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    modocmodoc Member Posts: 474 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You of course have your own wants and I respect that..BUT I for one must be a wimp because I want nothing that entails a severe paper trail like the direction you are heading..Not saying it will EVER happen,,BUT,,if it ever does,,those who have listed ownership of certain firearms,,will be the first to have them convescated..Not only the weapons in question but ALL firearms owned by the listed owner or gun show people,,anybody with paper trails will be subject to such treatment..Here in Oregon they have what is called
    INSTA-CHECK.It is used by ALL dealers,,gun sellers at gun shows,, and is supposed to take an instant to check out the firearm,,and the buyer to make sure the gun is legal and the buyer is not a felon..I must wonder what else that information is used for???Mabe I am an alarmist but THINK about it..modoc
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    PieceofpaperPieceofpaper Member Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just cut the deal off with him. He said he has a full auto Mac 11, when I asked what form it was on, he replied "whats a form?".

    Thanks for the info guys.
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    jerry batemanjerry bateman Member Posts: 307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TO ALL INTERESED PARTIES
    I also own a street sweeper. The funniest thing about all the cruicifing of the street sweeper is this. The people that passed the law on the street sweeper did so on the looks of the street sweeper, because a Remington 1100 with a swat tube is the exact fire power as the street sweeper, THINK ABOUT IT!! yet a 1100 with a swat tube requires no special registering. This is a very good example of how stupid the law makers were that passed the law on the street sweeper.
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    1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerry bateman
    TO ALL INTERESED PARTIES
    I also own a street sweeper. The funniest thing about all the cruicifing of the street sweeper is this. The people that passed the law on the street sweeper did so on the looks of the street sweeper, because a Remington 1100 with a swat tube is the exact fire power as the street sweeper, THINK ABOUT IT!! yet a 1100 with a swat tube requires no special registering. This is a very good example of how stupid the law makers were that passed the law on the street sweeper.


    i think it was more of the name, allot of them has never even seen one, and a Remington has an actual purpose
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    cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,435 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Full auto M-11 with no papers? Find out what the reward is from the BATF for turning this guy in. You might be able to buy a legal street sweeper with it!
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
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    Patriots sonPatriots son Member Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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