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C&R question

toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 2015 in Ask the Experts
I've got a m-92 win. up for auction here (#46161756) that has been copletely rebuilt but to all original spec's. it this still c&r transferable. A potential bidder wants to know. thanks.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a Colt SAA, 2nd Generation, manufactured before 1962 considered
    C&R?
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have looked and am unable to find the answer to this question.
    Can a C&R lincensee in the state of CT receive C&R eligible handguns or are they precluded under the state law of CT?
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    got a stevens model 620 12 guage pump shotgun that is marked stevens browning. united states property on the receiver and barrel. trying to sell it on the web sight. this, in my opinion should be a c&r gun. since it was made in wartime and is marked U.S. need to know if it is or not? any help would be appreciated. keep in mind that just because a gun is over 50 years old, does not make it a c&r. thanks
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I applied back in early March. Two weeks ago I received a letter saying my application was being processed. A couple of days later I received my packet of books and letter of congratulations that I had been approved for the license but I still have not received the actual license yet. Does this sound normal or do I need to call them tomorrow?

    Thanks,
    Wuchak
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a Viet Nam era SKS C&R elligable? It's a North Vietnan manufactured and there is no solid information to determine when the firearm was manufactured.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Recently bought a Remington 341P .22 rifle on the auction side. Gun is C&R. It is definately over 50 years old. Seller refused to take C&R and had advertised it as such. I had to run it through my local FFL. I am going to run it through my C&R and log it into my bound book. My question is am I required to do this? As I recall it, any C&R aquired while you have a C&R must be loged into your bound book.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just got my C&R license and the packet they send with it but they didn't send the "ATF-P5300.4" they did send a paper saying they were temporarily out of stock and to please re-order it by phone or on their website. I went to their website to order it but I couldn't find it. What is it used for and does it go by another name? Also I sent my application off for my C&R Oct. 24 and got my license Dec. 7.
    Thank you for your time.


    Veritas vincit "Truth conquers"
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I missed my renewal date [:I][:p][xx(]

    Anybody know offhand if I can just send it in and get it renewed, or do I have to start over?

    Thanks...
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it "better" in BATFE's eyes to sell guns acquired on C&R to another C&R holder, than a non-license holder? In other words if you get inspected, does one "look" better than the other?

    -Marcus
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have the application for C&R filled out and ready to mail. Am I supposed to take one of the copies to my local "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" or send both copies back to ATF and let them mail them a copy after its approved? I'm confused! :-)
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just bought a Stevens Tip Up pistol with the detachable stock here on GunBroker. The seller wants a C&R or an FFL. It's actualy an antique and does not require either. I have no problem giving him a copy of my C&R. My question is do I have to enter it in my bound book since it's not a C&R. I plan to enter it anyway because entering it if not necessary should not be a problem. Not entering it if somone thinks it is necessary could be a problem. Just curious if it is a necessity.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i just bought a C&R gun at an estate auction. The auction company transfered it through an FFL. Do log it into my book from the estate, the auction company, or the FFL?
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hello, does anyone know if a east german Makarov is a c&r gun? thanks
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    question is,

    i have a C&R .

    I know your not to use it for business,
    if I decide to sell a C&R gun I had bought before my license can I send it to someone that has a C&R. or would it be better to just use an FFL for this sell

    Also do I have to log my OLDER C&R guns into a the log now that I have a C&R.[?]
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i have a 1903a3 with national ordance receiver. need to know since this is not a military receiver does it still qualify as c&r. thanks
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend of mine just got his C&R. On the form it says to send a 'certified copy'. Does this mean 'notarized' or is it just whacky BATF terminology?

    -Marcus

    Tempus Fugit.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi I havt e a question about the C&r PERMIT how can i apply and where? how much does it cost and what are the requirements. and one more what happenes is you wanna sell the gun to C&R or Non C&R holder.
    also can you sportize a C&R les say mauser and keept as a relic and what about if you want to sel it later.
    thanks
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have had my C&R for about 6 years, but this "problem" never came up. I have the chance to sell a couple of my C&R rifles to a non licencee. According to the latest info letter I have from the DOJ, I can sell to a resident in my own state. (at least that is how I interpret the law). My question is how do I sell these rifles without filling out the 4473 and calling NICS for this sale?
    Thanks,
    Jeff
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a way to verify a C&R license? I tried the verify an FFL on the auction side and it said on the bottom that it can't be used for C&R verification. Thanks.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi, I've posed this question on the Barry Morgan Firearms forum at German Daggers dot com, and I've also called the ATF licensing center in Atlanta (haven't heard back from them), so I thought someone here might know. I just this week got my license and the huge package of info from the ATF. Enclosed was a short 4-5 page pamphlet entitled FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEE GENERAL GUIDELINES AND INFORMATION. On the first page it says to use certified copies of your license to make firearms puchases. Does this apply only to FFL holders, or C&R holders as well? I'm enclined to believe it's only for FFL licensees, but being a newbee, just wanted to play it safe and find out for sure.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have heard that C&R guns that have been modified from their original condition are no longer C&R elligible. Is a C&R Colt SAA that has been after market engraved no longer C&R elligible?
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    guy has a russian sks and is claiming that russians are c&r eligable. ive been a C&R trader for years and know that the russians are the only sks's that are NOT c&r eligable. who's right. let me know, thanks
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just finished filling out my C&R renewal and was surprised to see question #8 ask my if I have, or planned to do any internet sales. It then went on to ask which site(s) I planned to use. I don't remember that last time, any idea as to when that appeared?
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    spiritsspirits Member Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I noticed that question when I filled out my application for renewal. I don't remember seeing it before. Wasn't sure if it was in reference to a business website you built or one you used often. I put down GB and AA(or GA now) websites.
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    nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,880 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, but they have always had at least one inappropriate question on the C&R application form. The C&R license is to be used only when acquiring a C&R firearm, so a question about sales was obviously intended to apply to 01 dealers, not C&R licensees.

    Neal

    EDIT: A C&R licensee can dispose of a C&R firearm in interstate commerce only if the buyer is also a C&R licensee (that is the same privilege that a non-licensee has). See ATF P5300.11 page 51.

    I concur with rufe-snow; see the same page. Anyone using a C&R as a cover for being the business of buying & selling firearms risks federal felony charges.
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    toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    No, but they have always had at least one inappropriate question on the C&R application form. The C&R license is to be used only when acquiring a C&R firearm, so a question about sales was obviously intended to apply to 03 dealers, not C&R licensees.

    Neal


    Why would it not apply to C&R holders? You can legally buy and sell on GB with a C&R license if it fits in the use of the license....
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    rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of Shuck and Jivers try to take advantage, of less knowledgeable folks. By passing off a 03, C & R license, being the same as a 01, Firearms dealers license.

    These kind of trick questions IMHO. Give the feds leverage, if they want to go after you for selling. Multiple C & R's on the auctions. Over and above what a collector, would normally expect to sell.
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    fordsixfordsix Member Posts: 8,722
    edited November -1
    that was also on my 01 renew
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    mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 24,456 ******
    edited November -1
    That question was added in 2014. I spotted it when I renewed my Type 01 FFL last week. If you hold a C&R and don't plan to use the internet to sell any of your personal firearms then you can truthfully answer NO. If you do have any such plan then by all means use Gun Broker for the sales!
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    Spider7115Spider7115 Member, Moderator Posts: 29,714 ******
    edited November -1
    I would just answer "NO". ATF watches for people who are planning to use their C&R to buy and sell on a regular basis, which is prohibited.
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    perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,390 ✭
    edited November -1
    NO one can hold anyone accountable for what he MAY do in the future planned or unplanned. How ever if the question was Have you ever sold
    or purchased a C&R on the internet you better answer YES if you did so or may have done so but forgotten for sure.
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    1BigGuy1BigGuy Member Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am working under the impression that a Type 3 C&R allows me to PURCHASE all I want from the weapons that fall within the C&R parameters.

    It's the SELLING that could be problematic if "overdone".
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,956 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually you can buy and sell, but for enhancement of the collection. If you have a model 42 and find one in higher condition you can buy it and sell the original. You can even make a profit. You can also decide you don't want to collect Colt Woodsman any more, but want to focus on Colt SSAs, and you can sell the Woodsman. What you cannot do is constantly turn the "collection" over, buying and selling pretty constantly.
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