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Mailing Serial Numbered Slides
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A friend asked me to sell some auto pistol parts on ebay. The parts were mostly slides and barrels. A few of the slides (e.g., Browning HiPower slides) were serial numbered. I returned these to my friend because I believed they were considered a firearm by the ATF. I also didn't want any trouble caused to my friend or myself. Waa I correct in considering the serial numbered frames as defined as firearms by the ATF?
Also, I have seen were Ruger MK I and II slides won on GB would only be sent to an FFL.
Also, I have seen were Ruger MK I and II slides won on GB would only be sent to an FFL.
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What ebay considers to be a firearm is another matter.
The Ruger .22 auto pistols are quite unique as far as serial numbering is concerned. Since their first production in 1949. They have always have been serial numbered on the barrel extension. Not on the frame/receiver like 99% of other firearms. Because of this the firearm as far as the feds are concerned, is the barrel extension. Not the receiver.
Here's additional notes:
1. I believe it was only one Browning HiPower Slide, which had a serial number on it, that I returned to my friend.
2. My friend is a gunsmith and he had accumulated lots of rifle and pistol parts and needed them to be sold.
3. I sold a couple dozen pistol slides and/or barrels on ebay to USA customers only. There was no problem dealing with ebay and PayPal; and at the time PayPal was the only payment method.
4. My first pistol was a Ruger Mk I Target Pistol and it is a strange one with no serial number on either the barrel or barrel extension but it does have a small serial number on the stamped blued steel grip frame.
Thank You for all the additional information on serial numbered slides being considered only a firearm part but not defined as a firearm by the ATF.
Here's additional notes:
1. I believe it was only one Browning HiPower Slide, which had a serial number on it, that I returned to my friend.
2. My friend is a gunsmith and he had accumulated lots of rifle and pistol parts and needed them to be sold.
3. I sold a couple dozen pistol slides and/or barrels on ebay to USA customers only. There was no problem dealing with ebay and PayPal; and at the time PayPal was the only payment method.
4. My first pistol was a Ruger Mk I Target Pistol and it is a strange one with no serial number on either the barrel or barrel extension but it does have a small serial number on the stamped blued steel grip frame.
I have never seen or heard of a Ruger serial numbered in this manner? Is it possible for you, to post photos of it?
There were some little known and strange Rugers made over the years. Saw some photos awhile back, of Standard Models assembled in Mexico. Do to their nonsensical firearms laws.
On the other hand, Ruger MK I, II, and III, and AMT Lightening 22 pistols, the barrel and extension are considered the gun, as has been said by earlier poster's.
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quote:I suggest you read this ENTIRE thread:
https://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=653151
??? according to some of the stuff in that thread, a serial numbered bolt from a pre-64' Model 70 could be considered "the gun"?
https://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=653151
THE ENTIRE THREAD>
""From the link I posted...
"The Gun Control Act (GCA) at 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3) and its implementing regulation, 27 CFR 478.11, define the term firearm,in part, to mean: any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,_ and includes the frame or receiver of any such weapon. The term firearm frame or receiver_ is defined by section 478.11 as [t]hat part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward position to receive the barrel._ Under 18 U.S.C. 923(i) and 27 CFR 478.92, licensed manufacturers and licensed importers must identify, by means of a serial number engraved or cast on the receiver or frame of the weapon, in such manner as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe, each firearm imported or manufactured "".
No pictures.
Had to go look at that pistol to see what else is different about it.
It does have a six digit in small number font serial number on the right side just above the trigger guard on the grip frame. There are no manufacturer markings on the pistol (i.e., barrel extension, barrel, etc.) besides the black Ruger phoenix emblems on the black plastic grips. The barrel extension has a smaller oval ejection port than any other Ruger Mk I pistol which makes for a stiffer and heavier barrel extension. It is configured with a rear micro sight and front sight just like a Ruger Mk I target pistol and takes only the older Mk I magazines. I believe it is a custom made 22LR target pistol using the Ruger Mk I target pistol's stamped steel grip assembly and parts. It is very accurate and I have shot it from a sand bag using a B&L 2X pistol and consistently got 1 inch groups at 50 yds using CCI MiniMags.
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No pictures.
Had to go look at that pistol to see what else is different about it.
It does have a six digit in small number font serial number on the right side just above the trigger guard on the grip frame. There are no manufacturer markings on the pistol (i.e., barrel extension, barrel, etc.) besides the black Ruger phoenix emblems on the black plastic grips. The barrel extension has a smaller oval ejection port than any other Ruger Mk I pistol which makes for a stiffer and heavier barrel extension. It is configured with a rear micro sight and front sight just like a Ruger Mk I target pistol and takes only the older Mk I magazines. I believe it is a custom made 22LR target pistol using the Ruger Mk I target pistol's stamped steel grip assembly and parts. It is very accurate and I have shot it from a sand bag using a B&L 2X pistol and consistently got 1 inch groups at 50 yds using CCI MiniMags.
Thank-you! Interesting, seems someone put a lot time, effort and probably money. To improve on a Mark I.