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Re: Will a Sig p226 fire if you drop it?
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No it will not.
This is prevented by multiple design features:
When carried with the hammer down, the hammer has a deep notch that engages the sear and blocks all forward movement unless the trigger is in it's complete rearward position. A strong blow could break the spur without the hammer moving forward and contacting the firing pin. (This is the postion the hammer drops to when the decocking lever is activated)
The hammer can never sit in direct contact with the firing pin due to a spring that automatically lifts it to engage the above mentioned intercept notch. (On P220's this only exists on post-'94 pistols)
All forward movement of the firing pin is blocked by a plunger that cannot disengage unless the trigger is in it's complete rearward position.
The firing pin is held to the rear by a strong spring that prevents it from moving forward due to simple inertia (dropped and landing on the muzzle).
From your friendly SIG-Sauer Armorer.
This is prevented by multiple design features:
When carried with the hammer down, the hammer has a deep notch that engages the sear and blocks all forward movement unless the trigger is in it's complete rearward position. A strong blow could break the spur without the hammer moving forward and contacting the firing pin. (This is the postion the hammer drops to when the decocking lever is activated)
The hammer can never sit in direct contact with the firing pin due to a spring that automatically lifts it to engage the above mentioned intercept notch. (On P220's this only exists on post-'94 pistols)
All forward movement of the firing pin is blocked by a plunger that cannot disengage unless the trigger is in it's complete rearward position.
The firing pin is held to the rear by a strong spring that prevents it from moving forward due to simple inertia (dropped and landing on the muzzle).
From your friendly SIG-Sauer Armorer.
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No it will not.
This is prevented by multiple design features:
When carried with the hammer down, the hammer has a deep notch that engages the sear and blocks all forward movement unless the trigger is in it's complete rearward position. A strong blow could break the spur without the hammer moving forward and contacting the firing pin. (This is the postion the hammer drops to when the decocking lever is activated)
The hammer can never sit in direct contact with the firing pin due to a spring that automatically lifts it to engage the above mentioned intercept notch. (On P220's this only exists on post-'94 pistols)
All forward movement of the firing pin is blocked by a plunger that cannot disengage unless the trigger is in it's complete rearward position.
The firing pin is held to the rear by a strong spring that prevents it from moving forward due to simple inertia (dropped and landing on the muzzle).
From your friendly SIG-Sauer Armorer.
Any firearm can fire if dropped. Read a SIG manual, it even says so.
any gun can fire unexpectedly ! even if it isn't dropped. The sear hook can break, then BANG !!You're apparently unfamiliar with the design of this pistol's internals.
It's hammer doesn't rest on a 'sear hook' when in the decocked position. It rests against the entire sear.
You're also not taking into account the existence of this pistol's firing pin block. It's an entirely seperate and redundant safety system which prevents the firing pin from traveling forward unless the trigger is at it's extreme rearward position.
This pistol design has been carried by police across the globe for 34 years and is among the most widely issued military pistols in the world, including it being the standard issue pistol of the SEAL's and Britain's SAS. I'm unaware of any recorded incidents where this type has ever fired due to a parts failure.
quote:Originally posted by Mooseyard
[brAny firearm can fire if dropped. Read a SIG manual, it even says so.I'm pretty familiar with what SIG-Sauer manuals state.
Please relate any instances you're aware of where a properly decocked SIG P220-229 pistol discharged when dropped.
Any firearm can fire if dropped. Read a SIG manual, it even says so.
First of all, liability concerns mean that just because manufacturers make a certain recommendation, that doesn't mean that deviating from it is unsafe. For example, even if it were true, would you expect SIG to say "Its perfectly safe to use a loaded SIG pistol as a hammer"?
I also don't think its true that "any" firearm can fire if dropped (assuming we're talking about a normal "drop", not a toss off a tall building onto concrete!).
There are many gun designs where on "safe" the firing pin is locked into place and literally can't hit the primer short of enough violence to seriously damage the pistol. IE, the entire gun would likely have to be broken apart before the safety mechanism would be defeated.
There are other designs where when in "safe" the firing pin is taken out of alignment of the primer and can't hit it no matter what.
And there are still others where engaging the safety puts a big chunk of steel in between the primer and firing pin. Again, merely dropping it isn't going to make a gun like that go off.
I'd bet cash money you could take a loaded SIG 226 and literally drop in onto concrete from eye-level 100 times in a row, and it wouldn't go off. I have also yet to hear of any drop discharge of a SIG pistol.
quote:any gun can fire unexpectedly ! even if it isn't dropped. The sear hook can break, then BANG !!
This is a joke, right?
In many guns, there is no pressure on the firing pin when the gun isn't cocked. Even stipulating that hardened steel sear hooks can spontaneously break for no apparent reason (which is ridiculous), these guns STILL wouldn't go off unless cocked.
I understand that the likelihood of a SIG or a Glock firing from being dropped is extremely unlikely, but I'm not willing to claim that it's impossible, and apparently neither is SIG.
a gun will not fire in the safe position if EVERTHING works as designed. I'm was holding a gun in the SAFE mode and the sear broke discharging the gun. BANG ! It shot the ground. If someone wants to stand in front of SIG while someone beats on it with a rock, it's America and that is their right. A least for awhile....
Was your defective gun a SIG? I think not.
What kind of gun was it, and why did the safety fail? Did your gun even HAVE a trigger safety at all? I doubt it. Older-design style 1911s don't, for example, and a poor trigger job can render them unsafe.
As to the statement that EVERYTHING has to work as designed for the gun to be safe, that's just not so.
SIGs and other modern design guns have redundant safety systems for EXACTLY this reason. . . so that if one of the safeties were to fail, the others would still prevent the gun from firing if dropped.
In this case, again, even stipulating that hardened steel sear hooks can spontaneously fail in a production gun (ie one that has never had a trigger job, or other parts changes), The SIG 226 has a decocking safety, and is NOT cocked when the gun is put on safe.
So when a SIG is on "safe" the firing pin simply isn't under spring tension, and the sear isn't engaged. At that point it makes no difference if the sear is functional or not, since the sear isn't working to hold back the hammer or firing pin.
If in the incredibly unlikely even that you were holding a COCKED p226 and the sear (or hammer) suddenly broke, the firing pin lock should STILL prevent the gun from firing (assuming you weren't pulling the trigger at the exact moment the hook broke!).
Now, it is possible that the firing pin block AND the sear could BOTH fail? Sure, but that's unlikely to the point of approximating nil. Again, I've never heard of such a case happening even though SIGs are pretty popular guns with literally tens of thousands of them in service.
its such a stupid question asked over and over.
if you cant hold a gun, what are you doing holding one?
what else are you doing that would cause you to drop it in the first place?
gun dropping what if's are a waste of effort and time to discuss. agreee?
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
and odds would be you just got shot and the danger of another shot going off would be a waste of concern.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.