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9mm Nato

mcasomcaso Member Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 2015 in Ask the Experts
This is probably a dumb question that I used to think I knew the answer to. I ran across a post that warned against the use of 9mm NATO ammunition in weapons chambered for the 9mm Luger, parabellum, 9x19 or however you wish to describe this "universal" cartridge but then could not refind the post where I posed this query. I own half a dozen boxes of 9mm BALL NATO M882 LOT WCC90-006 manufactured by OLIN Corporation. 124 GN F.M.C. On several instances at the regular local gun show I've been able to pick this "surplus brown box" ammo up for as little as $5.00 per 50 rounds. Isn't this the same round issued to the U.S. Military for use in the Beretta and Sig service pistols? For street use I carry either Cor-Bon 115 GN +P or Federal 9BPLE +P+. I Know NATO spec to be a bit hotter than standard US manufacture but is it safe in Modern, High Quality Firearms rated for +P use? I have four handguns chambered in 9mm. An early "West German Sig 226, a more modern Sig 239, an H&K P7 PSP, and an all stainless steel Kahr MK9. How does the NATO load compare to the modern +P loadings. Thanks for your thoughts on the subject.

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    mcasomcaso Member Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What constitutes 9mm Nato. I have found lots of answers and many of them conflict. Thanks everyone
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    charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NATO is a set standards for the ammo to be made to. Tolerance is set for a range with each value like bullet weight +- some amount. Same for case length, pressure ....

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    1957 ?V7.62mm ammunition STANAG 2310 ratified
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    1959 ?V1stNATO Qualification of 7.62mm Ball (Canada)
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    1962 ?V9mm ammunition STANAG 4090 ratified
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    1964 ?V1stNATO Qualification of 9mm Ball (Belgium)
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    1969 ?V7.62mm link STANAG 2329 ratified
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    1981 ?V5.56mm ammunition STANAG 4172 ratified
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    1985 ?V25mm x 137 ammunition STANAG 4173 ratified (no longer active)
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    1987 ?V1stNATO Qualification of 5.56mm Ball (U.S.)
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    1991 ?V40mm x 53 High Velocity Grenade Ammunition efforts initiated
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    1993 ?V1stNATO Qualification of 25mm HEI-T/TP-T (U.S.)
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    1997 ?V12.7mm (Caliber .50) ammunition STANAG 4383 ratified
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    2000 ?V30mm x 173 ammunition efforts initiated
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    2001 ?V40mm x 46 Low Velocity Grenade Ammunition efforts initiated
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    2007 ?V1stNATO Qualification of 12.7mm Ball and Trace (Canada)
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    2008 ?V25mm x 137 ammunition activities no longer supported
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    2010 ?V30mm x 173 ammunition STANAG 4624 distributed for ratification
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    rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The book "Cartridges of the World". Has a section devoted to military ammo.

    It defines 9mm Nato, As the M882 cartridge. Below data is for Beretta M9 Pistol.

    Velocity, - 1251 +/- 25 FPS at 16 Meters.

    Total weight of cartridge, - 179 grains.

    Weight of case, - 42 grains.

    Weight of bullet, - 124 grains

    It also notes powder weights, Brand of powder - HPC 26, Bullet being made of copper alloy, And no identification coloring on bullet.
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    mcasomcaso Member Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you both. There seems to be a lot 9mm NATO out there that isn't.
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    p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    A little plus symbol in a circle in the cartridge headstamp.
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    Pound_Puppy12000Pound_Puppy12000 Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mcaso
    What constitutes 9mm Nato. I have found lots of answers and many of them conflict. Thanks everyone


    Here is the information sent to me by the Turkish company that makes the ZQI NATO rounds I buy at Wal-Mart:

    Ay#351;eg?l KESK#304;N ?AL
    Mechanical and Chemical Industries Corporation
    Business Development Project Coordinator
    Tel: +90 312 296 12 04
    Fax: +90 312 296 16 92


    Dear Mr.XXXXXXX,

    We'd like to thank you for the interest that you have shown to our products. Please find below the datas that you request.
    If you need more detailed information, you can contact with our representative Zenith Quest International (ZQI) in USA.

    Technical Data:
    Cartridge Type: 9mmx19 Parabellum
    Bullet Weight: 8 g
    Bullet Type: FMJ
    Pressure Limits (with 6203 Transducer): (Port +35) max 2650 bar

    8g = 123/124 grains
    2650 bar = 38,435 psi, which makes the rounds a +P load. Note that the "pressure limits" are measured at a different point than the pressure limits set by SAAMI.
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