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Anyone make a reverse pump shotgun?

jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
edited February 2009 in Ask the Experts
Maybe it is just my high power offhand training and practice coming in to play, but I find that on a pump, the grip is WAY too far foward to support the gun well when the round is chambered. Yes you can yank it around quickly but that's about the only advantage to this design as far as I see it.

I wonder if anyone makes a reverse pump, one that is closed with the slide all the way to the REAR instead of all the way foward? It would also seem to ME, in a defense situation, that racking a second round by pulling away from you would be faster than by pulling toward you initially, but maybe that's just me.
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  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    One was made many moons ago, I think it was a Finnish design.
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    On my Mossberg 500, the pump is pretty much automatically actuated in recoil.

    Having it reversed would be much slower/harder for ME.

    Doug
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  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pulling towards you is just a stronger and more natural motion.
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  • Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can get long foreends that overlap the receiver even in the forward position; let you hold it pretty far back.

    As Doug says, they are pretty much recoil actuated anyhow and you would not want one to run backwards.
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  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    The Russians made one as well. I dont think they were ever imported by anyone though.
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  • rhmc24rhmc24 Member Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm a fan of wierd designs. One of my interesting challenges was to figure out a way to move the bolt and pump-grip in opposite directions. It could work with a pair of reversing levers with a box magazine between. It was too cumbersome and complicated to seriously consider. I seem to remember a design that had the barrel moving back and forth, with a fixed bolt or breech face. Hard to imagine a receiver strong enuf and light enuf to make something like that practical.
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    Well it isn't just the pumping; it is shouldering the gun. Holding it so far forward it is harder to bring to the shoulder as compared to my break opens and semi autos with the forestock farther to the rear. One of those overlength forestocks would help I think.

    As for recoil assisting the pump action, I hadn't thought of it. I've never found the recoil enough to do this even on a 12 gauge; besides I don't subscribe to jerking the gun around as I operate it- it would ruin the follow through!

    A final thought on strength and operation of pump out vs. pump towards; you have greater mechanical leverage when your arm is bent than when it is straight, so I don't see how that holds any truth. I bet you can punch harder than you can pull if you were to hook your arm to a force gauge. Ejecting the empty requires more force to overcome chamber wall friction than chambering a new, fresh sized cartridge, so I hold to my original conviction.
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    Well, in MY case you are wrong.

    Go try it yaownsef.

    You'll see.

    Doug
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  • the_punisher_the_punisher_ Member Posts: 562 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the South Africans made one for their police and military,but I can't remember what the name of it was.
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by the_punisher_
    I think the South Africans made one for their police and military,but I can't remember what the name of it was.
    The Neostead 2000.[8D]
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