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question for Bert H.

ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 2009 in Ask the Experts
Bert I was reading the states section of USA Today and they had a blurb about Presidential firearms at the Cody Museum. Was suprised to see JFK & LBJ as some of the previous Presidents with guns there. What sort of firearms did those two have thst are on display? The article only stated a Winchester Model 64 owned by Reagan.
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert,
    I printed the 1894 Win. facts and I was wondering if you have the same stats for the '73,'76,'86, and '92's? I would be very interested in those also.
    Thanks,
    Gary
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did the '94 Winchester rifle ever come in a 22" barrel? Or a takedown model in 22" barrel?
    Thanks,
    Gary
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert, I might be inheriting(godmothers daughters don't want it and their husbands are totally gun clueless and would just as soon sell it to a pawn shop) a Winchester Low Wall in .32 Short. This rifle has sat over a fireplace mantle since at least the 1950's and hasn't been fired because I belive the firing pin is broken. Is this something that can be fixed easily? I know the .32 Short isn't exactly a long range tack driver or game other than say varmint getter but I sure hate seeing it just sit. The gun is in good condition with a tight action and just normal wear and tear.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello Eric,

    Yes, it can be fixed or replaced. You are correct... the 32 Long rimfire is not a barn burner, but will kill most varmints inside of 75 yards. Send me the serial number on the rifle when you get the chance.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Bert! I'll get the # when I go back to Fresno in a month or so.
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  • Bert2368Bert2368 Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rather than start a new topic, I've chosen to piggyback on this one-

    I have received a custom rifle built on what I believe is a Winchester low wall action from my father's estate. It is .22 Hornet with a heavy round barrel marked with the caliber and "CC Johnson" "Thackery O." by the chamber. There is a marking of "Pat. Oct. 7th 79" on the receiver under where the lever sits. Where would the serial number be found? I can't seem to locate one. The rifle has a much heavier fore end than the commercial Winchesters I have seen, with a pistol grip stock with a prominent cheek piece suitable for use with a scope. Overall, the gun is in good condition with a few marks showing use on the stock, metal finish is very good and bore appears near perfect. My mother told me that Dad was apprenticed to a gunsmith in Rochester NY in the 1940's before he entered the Navy in WWII and his master had built this rifle for him at the end of his apprenticeship and then retired. I don't know the maker's name nor have I found any markings showing it. I have not tried to strip or disassemble it in any way yet.

    The rifle came set up with a long tube scope with external adjustments. Scope is marked Lyman Junior Target Spot and 8x. It has the screw in dust caps, and appears to be in good shape optically and appearance wise.

    The outfit also included loading tools, fired cases, jacketed and cast bullets, sizing dies for cast bullets and some VERY old powder marked SR71 that I destroyed due to deterioration (red fumes, rusting out can). Also a can of Hercules 2400, probably from the 1960's.

    I am supposed to give the lawyer for the estate values for dad's guns. I don't want to sell this... I WOULD like to assemble proper cast bullet loads and SHOOT IT. Dad apparently killed a lot of ground hogs in upstate NY and around Lafayette IN with this back between WWII and when the USN grabbed him back for Korea- After that, he went to college on the GI bill, got married and us kids put an end to his spare time for shooting.

    I can try to get some pictures up if you are interested in helping me figure out what I've got here and how best to start using it. Thanks for taking the time to read this-
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  • turtles11756turtles11756 Member Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    pictures will tell the experts here what you have .your right on DON'T sell dad's guns for sure. you can't get them back
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Give $500.00 for the rifle ESTATE purpose you don't want to value it High sounds like the scope is worth $350.00 and rifle you can explain that as it was modified it has lost It collector value and this would be the truth However for single shot fans and hornet fans I would say if in Very Good condition or better the outfit should bring $1000.00 + or - without seeing it . "estate go low in value insurance go high in value" your mileage may vary.
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  • Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beret2368, MY Winchester's serial number is on the lower tang, right after the patent date, between the bottom tang screw heads. If yours is not numbered there, I expect it is a replacement tang to get a different trigger group or a pistol grip curve to suit the new stock. What type trigger is it? Double set, single set, or plain? Surely Bert H. can help here.

    The maker's - or modifier's - name is right there on the barrel.
    Charles C. Johnson was a gunsmith with a Springfield Ohio mailing address, but Thackery Ohio is a suburb of Springfield. Either Thackery did not have a post office and mail came out of Springfield or he moved to town between the time he built Dad's rifle and the listing I have for him.

    There is likely nothing left of the original Winchester except the action. Mr Johnson probably installed the Hornet barrel and made or fitted the beavertail foreend and cheekpiece stock.

    Cast bullets in a Hornet will be a casting and handloading challenge. Good luck.

    I cannot help with a dollar value for a Lowwall mutated into an old style varmint rifle. Somebody will probably come up with a higher number than I would imagine.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bert2368
    Rather than start a new topic, I've chosen to piggyback on this one-

    I have received a custom rifle built on what I believe is a Winchester low wall action from my father's estate. It is .22 Hornet with a heavy round barrel marked with the caliber and "CC Johnson" "Thackery O." by the chamber. There is a marking of "Pat. Oct. 7th 79" on the receiver under where the lever sits. Where would the serial number be found? I can't seem to locate one. The rifle has a much heavier fore end than the commercial Winchesters I have seen, with a pistol grip stock with a prominent cheek piece suitable for use with a scope. Overall, the gun is in good condition with a few marks showing use on the stock, metal finish is very good and bore appears near perfect. My mother told me that Dad was apprenticed to a gunsmith in Rochester NY in the 1940's before he entered the Navy in WWII and his master had built this rifle for him at the end of his apprenticeship and then retired. I don't know the maker's name nor have I found any markings showing it. I have not tried to strip or disassemble it in any way yet.

    The rifle came set up with a long tube scope with external adjustments. Scope is marked Lyman Junior Target Spot and 8x. It has the screw in dust caps, and appears to be in good shape optically and appearance wise.

    The outfit also included loading tools, fired cases, jacketed and cast bullets, sizing dies for cast bullets and some VERY old powder marked SR71 that I destroyed due to deterioration (red fumes, rusting out can). Also a can of Hercules 2400, probably from the 1960's.

    I am supposed to give the lawyer for the estate values for dad's guns. I don't want to sell this... I WOULD like to assemble proper cast bullet loads and SHOOT IT. Dad apparently killed a lot of ground hogs in upstate NY and around Lafayette IN with this back between WWII and when the USN grabbed him back for Korea- After that, he went to college on the GI bill, got married and us kids put an end to his spare time for shooting.

    I can try to get some pictures up if you are interested in helping me figure out what I've got here and how best to start using it. Thanks for taking the time to read this-



    Hello Bert2368,

    Please start a new topic with the pertinent information and the pictures.

    I forgot to add, the serial number is on the lower tang between the tang screws (see the pictures below)

    IFXZV-1230250-95WCF014.jpeg

    Takedown1885-4.jpeg

    HighWallNo.273015a.jpg

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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