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AR-15 Lower Receiver
rick5200
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I have an PWA AR-15 Pre-Ban Lower Receiver. I live in Texas and I assume that does not make it more valuable here but would in states like NY, CT, IL or CA. Am I correct?
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Thanks,
Dan
NY
Cook County is attempting a ban which is currently being disputed in courts. But there is no grandfather clause on the proposed legislation. Thus Pre ban or age of manufacturer is a matter of indifference. Chicago does not allow AR's no matter what. There may be a few other small town / municipalities that restrict ar's in Illinois , but a grandfathered pre-ban has no extra resale value.
The rest of the state, an AR is an AR no matter what the age.
I have an PWA AR-15 Pre-Ban Lower Receiver. I live in Texas and I assume that does not make it more valuable here but would in states like NY, CT, IL or CA. Am I correct?
In California, unless the PWA brand lower is specifically banned by name (in which case it can not be brought into the state, so in that sense it has no value in CA) it is considered an OLL (off list lower) and is no more valuable than any other stripped lower. Before the Nov 4th election, a stripped 5.56 lower in CA went for $125.00 to about $185.00. As with the rest of the country prices have since gone up, I just paid $160.00 for a stripped lower. Unless it has some feature that makes it special I'd expect a PWA to be about the same.
CP
A lower has nothing to do with post ban/pre ban.
The lower which is considered the receiver part of an ar15 was the object in which was regulated. When the first AWB was instilled every receiver manufactured after that was cataloged by the manuf.
An AR with a post ban receiver/lower was then not allowed to have certain accessories installed on it
A lower has nothing to do with post ban/pre ban.
If I recall correctly, the 94 AWB regulated certain firearms produced after September 1994 and restricted certain features such as threaded barrels, bayonet lugs, etc when used in conjunction with other features such as a pistol grip, detachable magazines on those newly produced semiauto firearms. The intent was not to regulate or restrict firearms or features made prior to that date, but to regulate & restrict firearms or features made after that date only.
Therefore, a lower being the only regulated and serial numbered part of the firearm - in effect, the part of the gun which can be determined to be preban and from which other restrictions flow or are negated - it seems accurate to refer to the lower as being either preban or not preban.
quote:Originally posted by shoff14
A lower has nothing to do with post ban/pre ban.
If I recall correctly, the 94 AWB regulated certain firearms produced after September 1994 and restricted certain features such as threaded barrels, bayonet lugs, etc when used in conjunction with other features such as a pistol grip, detachable magazines on those newly produced semiauto firearms. The intent was not to regulate or restrict firearms or features made prior to that date, but to regulate & restrict firearms or features made after that date only.
Therefore, a lower being the only regulated and serial numbered part of the firearm - in effect, the part of the gun which can be determined to be preban and from which other restrictions flow or are negated - it seems accurate to refer to the lower as being either preban or not preban.
Its not, because as a receiver, its just that a receiver. A preban/postban would need to have an upper installed before the ban in order to call it a preban lower. If you look back at the 94 ban, any lower, even though it was manufactured before the ban could not legally have a post ban upper installed on it after the ban if it had never been an a completed rifle or pistol. Now would anyone really question it? Who knows its hard tell. I think I would want to have my ducks in a line in case someone asked though.
As far as any state with a ban (MA, NY, CA). You couldn't legally put a post ban upper on that receiver. Its the hairy line that one shouldn't be there.
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quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by shoff14
A lower has nothing to do with post ban/pre ban.
If I recall correctly, the 94 AWB regulated certain firearms produced after September 1994 and restricted certain features such as threaded barrels, bayonet lugs, etc when used in conjunction with other features such as a pistol grip, detachable magazines on those newly produced semiauto firearms. The intent was not to regulate or restrict firearms or features made prior to that date, but to regulate & restrict firearms or features made after that date only.
Therefore, a lower being the only regulated and serial numbered part of the firearm - in effect, the part of the gun which can be determined to be preban and from which other restrictions flow or are negated - it seems accurate to refer to the lower as being either preban or not preban.
Its not, because as a receiver, its just that a receiver. A preban/postban would need to have an upper installed before the ban in order to call it a preban lower. If you look back at the 94 ban, any lower, even though it was manufactured before the ban could not legally have a post ban upper installed on it after the ban if it had never been an a completed rifle or pistol. Now would anyone really question it? Who knows its hard tell. I think I would want to have my ducks in a line in case someone asked though.
As far as any state with a ban (MA, NY, CA). You couldn't legally put a post ban upper on that receiver. Its the hairy line that one shouldn't be there.
Thanks for the info, I understand with respect to not tempting fate so to speak. In CA we go through a similar "how would anyone know?" with respect to preban magazines. Making the law more difficult to enforce - we're allowed to "repair & rebuild" preban magazines with new parts.
In CA, our "AW ban" focuses on specifically listed lowers (DPMS Panther, Colt, FN FAL) as being banned after a certain date unless registered, once registered you can do whatever the heck you want to it, and the configuration of semi auto rifles. Newly made AR uppers, old AR uppers, bayonet lugs and threaded barrels are fine, new uppers can be newly mounted on registered AWs or on new lowers so long as the gun is configured in a certain way regarding the magazine and pistol grip.