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6.5 Grendal vs 6.5 Creedmore
pwillie
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How do they compare?...looking for a new rifle in this cartridge....also,how about the 6.5 X 55 that Blaser has?
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Creedmore with the larger powder capacity. Is renowned, for long range target shooting. Grendal would be, for up close and personal work.
Grendal is based on the .223 brass,
Uh, no.
Grendel is a variant of the 6mm PPC necked up and shortened to fit the AR magazine. Case head diameter is the same as .220 Russian or 7.62x39
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
Grendal is based on the .223 brass,
Uh, no.
Grendel is a variant of the 6mm PPC necked up and shortened to fit the AR magazine. Case head diameter is the same as .220 Russian or 7.62x39
I stand corrected.
How do they compare?...looking for a new rifle in this cartridge....also,how about the 6.5 X 55 that Blaser has?
The 6.5 Grendel is based on the multiple massaged 7.62x39 case. It started life as that then the .220 Russian, that got morphed into the 6mm PPC and the 6.5 PPC. The final iteration is a blown out and steeper shouldered 6.5 PPC.
You can attain up to 2700 fps with the right powder (XMR 8208 XBR) and and optimized barrel with a 123 gr. bullet. It will fit in an AR-15 platform
The 6.5 Creedmoor is based off of the Rem .30 TC (not the .30 Rem), which pretty much amounts to about a Savage .250 case necked to 6.5mm and improved. It has a 30 deg. shoulder, and is .454" at the shoulder. It holds about one grain less water than a .260 Rem due to it's improvement.
The 6.5 Creed will shoot a 140 gr. bullet at 2800 fps as it holds about ten more grains of powder. Although I launch mine at 2700 fps. It will fit in a -10 AR platform but not a -15 platform.
FWIW, with either of these cases it would be wise to figure out how you are going to get it to feed. The 6.5 Creed will feed in a centerfeed magazine, but not with a lot of rounds. The variance in geometry of the case is enough to give space around the rims.
With the 6.5G, get the 6.5 mags made by C-products and they will fit in an AR-15 without issue.
Some might argue, but. While the ballistic coefficient helps the 6.5/264 caliber shine I believe its the sectional density that lends more towards its performance. Just getting a bullet there does nothing if it isn't going to penetrate, and penetration is where those long thin bullets shine.
And as a side note. The best way to realize the potential of the 6.5x55 is to reload for a rifle strong enough to handle pressures greater than big three factory ammo generates. That or shoot imported (PRVI, Norma to name two) ammo loaded to European specs.
Guys I'm looking for new hunting rifle, bolt preferred...Thanks
6.5 Creed is your answer then. I just got the girlfriend a Kimber Hunter 84M. It is a petite little rifle, with a scaled down Hybrid Model 70 type action, and tips in at 5.5 pounds without the scope, and has a 22 inch barrel. It has a 1 in 8 twist, so you can load the 140 VLD's with no problem. It is detachable magazine fed.
Its just a suggestion.
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Guys I'm looking for new hunting rifle, bolt preferred...Thanks
6.5 Creed is your answer then. I just got the girlfriend a Kimber Hunter 84M. It is a petite little rifle, with a scaled down Hybrid Model 70 type action, and tips in at 5.5 pounds without the scope, and has a 22 inch barrel. It has a 1 in 8 twist, so you can load the 140 VLD's with no problem. It is detachable magazine fed.
Its just a suggestion.
...so in your opinion its better than the Grendal?
If a bolt action is your chosen platform, then I'd suggest NEITHER.
The Grendel is simply massaged to the max level the AR 15 will accept and there are several established cartridges that offer all the 6.5 C can provide. Neither will upstage the 6.5x55 IF you handload it to the upper limits of a modern action.
I haven't built a Grendal AR yet but I plan to. For my hunting purposes in NC, SC and Alabama, I will carry it in locations that shot distances will be no more than about 150-200 yards. (mostly because the gun will be set up for shorter range)
The 6.5 X 55 is a great cartridge I was debating between it and the Creedmoor when I bought my first Ceedmoor. I have bought another Creedmoor and built 2 on the AR 10 platform since. I will still probably own Swede at some point because I tend to want at least one of everything.
6.5 Grendel is shoehorned into an AR.
6.5 Swede is loaded for 19th century rifles and you end up in the "(over)loads for modern actions" game.
I am a sentimental traditionalist and might well have a .256 Newton barrel put on a pre-bubbaed Springfield or Mauser. But I am not recommending that for general consumption.