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Bert H.

garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
edited February 2009 in Ask the Experts
According to your Winchester 1894 thread http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=245213, the last Model 1894 made in that year was serial #1674.

Ironically, it's for sale on the auction side: http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338175100

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I just thought you might be interested in seeing it.

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  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Would like to get DOM of '92 Winchester serial number 7762
    Thank you
    wwllvet
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert, Me again, I have acquired another 1892 Winchester, serial number 65. What can you tell me about it?
    Also I think maybe I should get a copy of you book.

    Bob
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert; I have acquired another 1892 Winchester and would like to get as much information as posible on it.
    The serial number is 3895

    Thank you
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Hello Bert.
    When you have some free time
    could you date a Winchester 94-30/30
    for me --ser no. 2114763
    Thank you so much
    Ron
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert; I have another 1892 Winchester serial number 3895. Could you give me the manufacture date?

    Vet.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert,Please read the post "Winchester 94 SRC w/ A5 Scope: factory original?" I told this guy you could help him out?
    Thanks [:)]

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  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    I stupidly rebarreled a possible 1890 Winchester pump many years ago
    instead of relining it. Machined down a Marlin barrel, dovetailed it,
    etc. It has a serial # 190997. Believe it had a oct. barrel before.
    A fairly beat gun but useable. Was it a 1890? Also have a '06 Winc.
    # 726201 in good shooting condition which I use continually. Are any
    barrels (original) left for the older one, even in poor condition?
    Would like to restore the old one back near original even with relining.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert, got the Wollensak 4x mounted on the .32-40 (went on like it was made for it [^] ), 165grn FN mold in hand, dies and brass in route.
    Two questions:
    I've never owned or used a external adjustment scope like this, anything I need to know about adjustments, maintenance, etc?

    What is the working chamber pressure for this rifle?
    ( Still waiting on those pet loads [:)] )

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  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    1873 32-20 389142B
    1885 25-20 67876
    1886 45-70 137478
    1892 38-40 95409
    1892 38-40 7580
    1892 38-20 20046
    1892 38-40 51802

    Bert,

    Could you please give me the manufacture dates on these Winchesters.

    Thank you,
    Robert Reeves
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    I was told that you can appraise and verify old trapdoor rifles.
    What is involved with that.[?] I am asking because i have one that i think could be 7th calvary.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Whats does a Pre 64 model 94 Winchester go for these days.

    Local dealer has one that i would say is in 60%+ condition. No rust or pitting, But a lot of blue wear around the reciever. Serial dates it 1955.

    He wants around 500 for it. Is this a good deal.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Was nice to meet you at the gunshow---did you get a chance to go look at the Winchester pump .22 display in the back--there was also a gentleman back there who had a few Ballards & Winchester 1885's. Thought it was a great show-loved all the WW2 guns.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    It was my extreme pleasure to meet Bert at the Puyallup WA Gun Show this past week end.

    He is like talking to a live Winchester encyclopedia. I learned more in the brief time we had together about 1885's than I have in my entire life. What a fine gentleman, and so willing to share his hard earned knowledge with others.

    My hat is off to him and the other experts who contribute to this terrific site. I learn something every time I log on to it.

    Keep up the great work!!!
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Do you know where I can get some nice photo's of the winchester double set triggers as found on the early model 94's. I have a 1894 rifle in 32-40, full octagon barrel with a broken set trigger. The serial number on the gun is 287X. I have all the set trigger minus the broken arch. I think I can make the needed part but need a photo to compare against. I think this rifle will be a hoot to shoot. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. My email is, barthels2@msn.com
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    What do you think of this?

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=345336

    Edited to add link. (DUH)
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    If the info in this auction is true, then why is this gun not in a museum somewhere?
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=82828130
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    At what point in your life did you decide to collect and research Winchesters. Also, what factor influenced you to do it?
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert,

    Sorry I couldn't get over to your table at the Gun Show due to a last hour flurry of business.

    Looking forward to getting a copy of your Winchester book with great anticipation.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    thanks for the info, will not bother you again. eastbank
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert, please send me info to order ypur book on winchesters.
    orobelle at aol.com
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Winchester Mod. 94 Serial no. 875182. 26" round barrel, Straight grip, with shotgun style butt plate. Info needed. DOB etc. Thanks.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert. I posted some pictures of Henry Rifles awhile ago, and I just wanted to let you know that I sold one of them. I haven't pursued anything on the Navy Colts with consecutive serial numbers yet. Get too busy and time just slips by. I think I'm interested in starting to part with some of my collection. I have quite a few Winchesters and many Army and Navy Colts. Any info you could give me would be very much appreciated.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert,can you Please give me the DOB of a Winchester Mod. 88 .308 cal.with Clover Leaf Tang, Ser #45879.
    Thank You
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    After seen yor sig. I was wondering if you knew wow I can get a ballard or a High Wall for a cheeper price? I can't aford an original, or a reproduction NIB. Can I build one for less money?
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Bert; Question regaurding Winchester 1892 serial # 23701. Would appreciate any info you can provide.

    Vet.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    What can you tell me about the three Winchesters listed here?

    Model 1892 in .38 WCF S/N 7580

    Model 1892 in .38 WCF S/N 51802

    Model 97 in 12 ga. S/N E 737190

    any info will be greatly appreciated.

    Not as Lean, Not as Mean, but still a MARINE.

    For GOD and COUNTRY

    Vet
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    What is a good shape 30" full choke pre 64 model 37 winchester
    12 guage worth?





    bert im guessing you are awinchester man.
  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow... tough questions to answer in just a few paragraphs.

    Let me start with the "When" question first.

    I suppose that I first decided I wanted to collect Winchester Model 1885 Single Shot Rifles back in the summer of 1966 (when I was a real young fellow). That was the year my dad taught me to shoot a real rifle. He started me out on an old modified Model 1885 high-wall rechambered for the 22 Hornet cartridge, and I fell in love with that old rifle. It was deadly accurate, and I shot my first game with it (my dad would take me along with him during the summer while out scouting for places to bag a * tail buck in September when deer season opened). While scouting the clear cuts along the Oregon coast, we would always see lots of rabbits. I learned to shoot and clean rabbits all in the same day in late June of 1966[^].

    In late summer of 1974 I bought my first Winchester... a Model 54 bolt-action chambered in 30 GOV'T 06. It wasn't until the late 1980s that I began to collect Winchesters in earnest though. I was 8-years into my career in the U.S. Navy, stationed aboard a brand new Ohio Class Trident Submarine, and I had lots of free time and $$$ on hand. I bought an old modified Model 1885 (rechambered for the 22 K-Hornet), and quickly realized that I should probably learn something about them before buying too many of them. It was at that time that I first began to research them. I hunted down every book I could find, bought them, and took them on deployment with me to study them. It helped pass the time while riding around underwater for several months at a time.

    As for what factor influenced me... I am not sure that I can point to a single event or thing. I guess I would have to say that my keen interest in firearms (which I developed at an early age) lead me down the path. My dad was an avid pocket book western reader, and he literally bought and read thousands of them before passing away in May of 1999. As a kid, I wanted to be just like him, so I too read the books. By the time I was 12, I had read more than (300) of them... mostly Loius L'Amour's books, as I like the way he described everything in detail (including the various guns his characters used). My dad also watched every single episode of every western TV show of the '50s, '60s and '70s, and every Western Movie ever made, and I was with him for most of them... which leads me to a funny side story. When the movie Blazing Saddles first came out in 1974, we went to watch it at the Drive-in theater... man was he ever not happy with it (I thought it was absolutely hilarious though[:D]).

    Anyway, and back to the topic at hand, I would have to say that what got me started was my dad, and he was not a collector. He did however take a great amount of interest in what I was doing, and we would have long discussions during my weekend visits home about the various guns and information I had accumulated along the way. I still miss him and our long discussions greatly[:(]

    The funny thing about answering your questions, is that it is very similar to another task I just recently completed. I was recently asked to write a Bio about myself for the WACA (Winchester Arms Collectors Association) Board of Directors. I am being considered for a position on that board, and they wanted to know something about me.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

  • gearheaddadgearheaddad Member Posts: 15,091 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to ga for asking the question and thanks to you Bert for enlightening us a little more.
    Gun collecting is an interesting hobby that a very small percentage of our population can understand.
    For many of us, no different world is known.
    Thanks again,
    Ed
  • Winchester 1912Winchester 1912 Member Posts: 528 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert, that was beautiful man.[:)]
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm anxiously waiting for your book to come out!! I have a few old west gun books by R.L. Wilson that are chock full of info and pictures. I was just given for my bday a beautiful book called The Rifle in America by Philip B. Sharpe that has tons of info. I have shied away from the Maadis book. I also enjoyed the books Mike Venturino wrote on the old west guns. Will your book have lots of photos as well as text?
  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ruger41
    Will your book have lots of photos as well as text?


    Eric,

    That is my plan... but lots of pictures drive the publishing cost through the roof[:0].

    WACA Historian & Life Member

  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ruger41
    I'm anxiously waiting for your book to come out!! I have a few old west gun books by R.L. Wilson that are chock full of info and pictures. I was just given for my bday a beautiful book called The Rifle in America by Philip B. Sharpe that has tons of info. I have shied away from the Maadis book. I also enjoyed the books Mike Venturino wrote on the old west guns. Will your book have lots of photos as well as text?


    Sharpe's book is a good one, however, if you are serious about learning all you can about Winchesters then you're doing yourself a huge diservice, IMO, if you discount Madis' many works.
    What's next?
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the reply Bert.

    Also, good luck on the WACA board, you would be a fine addition to them.
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