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WSSM Barrel Burner

mljacksomljackso Member Posts: 297 ✭✭
edited February 2009 in Ask the Experts
I recently bought a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Classic in .223 WSSM caliber. Is there any easy way to tell if it has the special barrel material to resist barrel/rifling damage due to high muzzle velocity and heat build-up? (I do not see any barrel material call-out stamped on the barrel.)

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  • HawkshawHawkshaw Member Posts: 1,016 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello---Do you know what "special Bbl. material", you are talking about? If you are talking about chrome lined, I doubt it. The only way I know of to reduce barrel, and throat ware is to not heat the Bbl. up. If you are shooting for group, I'm thinking 3 rounds, not five, is best. Then cool down. In a prarie dog town, count your money, and go from there.
  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is the link to a previous thread on this topic. Yes Winchester might have, and Browning did Chrome line the bores of some of the later WSSM's.

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=351095

    Best
  • ern98ern98 Member Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My personal rule for barrel life is that when shooting: if the barrel at the end of the forestock is hotter then I will hold onto then it is time to set the rifle aside and let it cool off. This is generally about 3 shots magnum, 5 shots -06/-08 cases. Also that is why smaller cased cartridges like the 22 hornet are so popular. With a heavy barrel 22 hornet you can shoot a bunch more shots before having to cooling it off.
  • mljacksomljackso Member Posts: 297 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Do you know what "special Bbl. material", you are talking about? Yes I am talking about chrome lining. From Wikipedia: "It should be noted that Browning has chosen to use chrome-lined barrels on all of their guns chambered for .223 WSSM. Browning has dropped the .223 WSSM cartridge as a chambering in their A-bolt rifles. The Winchester made Model 70 in .223 WSSM has not been revived in the new Browning made Winchester Model 70s." Based on this, I do not think any Model 70 with .223 WSSM is chrome lined...
  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mljackso
    quote:Do you know what "special Bbl. material", you are talking about? Yes I am talking about chrome lining. From Wikipedia: "It should be noted that Browning has chosen to use chrome-lined barrels on all of their guns chambered for .223 WSSM. Browning has dropped the .223 WSSM cartridge as a chambering in their A-bolt rifles. The Winchester made Model 70 in .223 WSSM has not been revived in the new Browning made Winchester Model 70s." Based on this, I do not think any Model 70 with .223 WSSM is chrome lined...




    The last I knew there were still NIB Browning A-Bolts for sale on the auction side, in 223 WSSM, and some Winchester Model 70's. They seem not to be drying up at this time yet. The last Winchester Model 70's were made in 2006.

    Browning is and has not ever made any Winchester rifles period. Though John M. Browning sold the production rights of several of his rifles to Winchester. The same parent company(FN) owns both Winchester and Browning. They can dictate what manufacturer can make what guns as such. Actually Browning never produced any of their own long guns, they were all made by FN in Belgium or Miroku in Japan. The Winchesters as of 1981 were not made by Winchester anymore. They were made by USRAC or US Repeating Arms Company in the old Winchester plant. Now that the plant is closed as FN has not renewed the contract with USRAC and the IAM union workers, the FN plant in the Carolina's are making limited numbers of overpriced Model 70's, and Miroku under license from Winchester still is making some 1885, and 1886's, and possibly some 1892's.

    I am sure if Bert H. sees this he will step in and update anything I might have missed or mis stated.

    Best
  • fishmastyfishmasty Member Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 223 and 243 wssm's all have chrome lined barrels.They are not the barrel burners peole claim they are. Check over here, there are guys that are doing round count's on thier barrels and a lot more great info.http://forums.wssmzone.com/default.asp
  • skyfishskyfish Member Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a browning a-bolt hunter in 25 wssm, I can only shoot about 3-4 rounds before it gets fairly warm and I have to let it cool. I would NEVER think off shooting P-dogs with it. I also clean after ~25 rounds or so.
  • skyfishskyfish Member Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I forgot, if you bun the barrel out you could always get it set up for 6.5 Heaton. That's my plan. I would by a mod 70 coyote lite in wssm and have it barreled for that of I had more coin.
  • mljacksomljackso Member Posts: 297 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:I am sure if Bert H. sees this he will step in and update anything I might have missed or mis stated.

    Bert, where are you?
  • stevecreastevecrea Member Posts: 486 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, perhaps this is somewhat irrelevant to the topic of chrome-lined barrels but, as I recall, FN now owns both Browning and Winchester. I am not certain of this, but seem to recall it.

    However, at the time that your Winchester was made, FN may have not owned Winchester.

    I only mention this because, Browning seemed to see the need for the chrome lining of the barrels, but Winchester may have not. At least at the time.

    I would agree with the earlier posters. Further, on warmer days, it is very dangerous to let a cartridge sit in a hot chamber, let cartridges sit on the dash in a vehicle, etc. The WSSMs I believe, operate at up to 65,000 CUP, and, as temperatures rise, either because of ambient temps, or because your chamber and barrel are hot, your risk of spiking pressures increases dramatically!!

    I have never had a problem with this, but my gunsmith recently warned me about it. Please be careful. Your eyes, hands, face, etc. are too valuable to risk. Be even more cautious about wearing eye protection, etc. in warmer weather when hotshooting varmints, etc.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    stevecrea,

    "The WSSMs I believe, operate at up to 65,000 CUP,"

    As a point of clarification, the WSSM cartridges have a SAAMI suggested operation level of 65,000 PSI. Now, this may seem to be a tiny oversight but in the real world, there is a significant difference between the two terms.

    And before anyone asks, there is no exact conversion, there is a 'method' that helps to explain a relationship between the two or better, a correlation between the two. The real point is that the PSI correlation to CUP would be significantly higher than 65,000 and potentially very dangerous.

    Best.
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