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waitentogo2
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has anyone ever heard of a stallard js9 9mm are they good gun
Steve Guffey
Steve Guffey
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Im looking at either a ruger sr9 or a taurus 92, I love the look of the taurus, however ive shot the sr9 and really enjoyed this pistol. What are everyones thoughts on quality and anything to help me make my choice.
The 9MM is a small diameter bullet the 45 is a big bullet. Troops in the sand box have learned the 9MM simply does not stop a man anywhere near as well as a 45 does. The standard load for a 9MM is a 115 FMJ bullet. The 45 standard ball round is 230 grains.
I am guessing you are a little new to shooting. Remember that downrange proformance has a price in recoil too. I suggest you get to a range where you can try some guns, to get a feel for what is comfortable for you. 9mm will do the job, as will .357, .40, .45 and others. It really works best to try some guns and cartridges and determine what is suitable for you before you buy.[;)]
Then later you can get all the rest of them like the rest of us.[:p]
You are not comparing apples and apples.
The 9MM is a small diameter bullet the 45 is a big bullet. Troops in the sand box have learned the 9MM simply does not stop a man anywhere near as well as a 45 does. The standard load for a 9MM is a 115 FMJ bullet. The 45 standard ball round is 230 grains.
The reason for that is that the military is stuck with FMJ bullets. If you use the right hollow points, the 9mm is just as good as any 40S&W or 45 ACP load. NYPD and other large police depts use the 9mm, with hollow point ammo, and they are pleased with the results.
quote:Originally posted by bpost1958
You are not comparing apples and apples.
The 9MM is a small diameter bullet the 45 is a big bullet. Troops in the sand box have learned the 9MM simply does not stop a man anywhere near as well as a 45 does. The standard load for a 9MM is a 115 FMJ bullet. The 45 standard ball round is 230 grains.
The reason for that is that the military is stuck with FMJ bullets. If you use the right hollow points, the 9mm is just as good as any 40S&W or 45 ACP load. NYPD and other large police depts use the 9mm, with hollow point ammo, and they are pleased with the results.
Frankly ball .45 isn't the greatest stopper in the world either.
*NO* handgun is ever going to be quite so effective as a rifle, and no full metal jacket design is going to work quite as well as a good soft/hollowpoint design.
Given the constraints on military ammo (eg it MUST be ball ammo to satisfy the Hague convention), you are probably better off with the fattest bullet possible (which translates into the heaviest).
Again, the 9mm is the most popular military and police handgun round on the planet. It didn't get that way because it can't do what it needs to do.
To be clear, the NYPD is the largest metropolitan police force in the world, and has more annual shooting incidents than any other in the USA. It has a tremendous amount of history and institutional experience to draw from, and it currently requires its officers use a 9mm pistol as their duty weapon, with 124 grain +P loads as the service round.
I'm pretty sure NYPD cops get to choose between a Glock with 12 lb trigger, DAO Sig 226, or Smith DA auto as their duty gun. Off duty, they have a little more latitude to carry smaller guns, with one option being a double-action .38 revolver.
Anyway, this does NOT mean that the 9mm is the "best" round available, only that its probably the best one for the "mission" of the NYPD.
For example, the NYPD has to train large numbers of female and rookie shooters who might not be as proficient with larger calibers. Cost is an issue, and so is standardization of ammo. Liability is a big issue too. . .the NYPD cops are required to carry double-action only guns, and given that shootings are likely to occur in densely populated areas with a HIGH percentage of missed shots, what happens to bullets that do NOT hit their target is a serious issue as well.
But even with all these caveats, it certainly suggests that the 9mm is at least "adequate" for defensive use!