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winchester 94

uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
edited February 2005 in Ask the Experts
Hello Bert,
I recently obtained a Winchester model 94 carbine,serial number 1762061,caliber stamp .30-30 Win., serrated hammer, flat checkered steel butt plate, short fore end wood, not tapped for receiver sight, blank upper tang. I'm hoping this Winchester is from 1951 also my birth year, am I close? Thanks, Greg LaHaie
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What was the first year the 94 was factory drilled for a lyman Receiver peep sight?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently acquired a Model 94 made in 1949 in very good 90+ condition & finish....still has the original sight hood is in place. My question is, would properly installing a original factory saddle ring hurt the value of this rifle ?? or should I leave it alone (not looking for a increase in value, certainly don't want to hurt value either).
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am looking for recommendations on obtaining a Winchester Model 94 for my collection. I have seen this firearm several times an fall in love with it every time I look at one. I would eventually like to have two, one shooter and a collectible. What should I be looking for?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    When did they start drilling the receiver for a receiver sight on the Winchester 94 and did they do that for the 92?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Wincherster lever 94 that ejects from the top. I bought a side scope mount. Any ideas for a good scope for this gun?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    anyone know what year winchester started drilling and taping the model 94 for receiver sights? thats the two little holes at the upper rear and left side of the receiver.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A buddy of mine says he has a Winchester 94 730 is there such a gun and what is it's worth.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    can anyone tell me what my rifle is worth or the value of it?
    Winchester Model 94 30/30 rifle $
    Buck horn sight
    Steel butt plate
    S/N 2051355
    it has only been fired once at th factory. excellent condition
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have a Winchester 94 with the safety mounted on the receiver. When engaged, blocks the hammer from hitting firing pin. Is that what they call a cross bolt safety?

    "the closer you are,the louder the boom."
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just received a gun from my Grandma that was my Grandpa's before he passed away. It is a Winchester 94 32W.S. with a serial number of 374615. Can anyone tell me approximately when this gun was manufactured? It is something I'd never get rid of, but I am just a little curious about its history.
    Thanks.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am thinking of buying a WIN-mod94-

    A local FFL has two...

    A 1942 model 4 $419 and a 1952 model for $499

    What are the differences between the two rifles?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone know the value of this Winchester 94 30/30. S/N 470201xx This firearm is in excellent condition. It also has checkering on the forearm and stock.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WHAT IS THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN THE REG 30-30 AND A CARBINE 30-30
    SO WHAT IS CARBINE MEAN
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NEWER MODEL AROUND 2 YEARS OLD,LIKE NEW CONDITION,WHATS IT WORTH???
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was in the local shop the other day they had just got in 3 model 94's 357 30-30 and a 44 mag all new in box. Asking 650 each should a guy buy. i am not sure what model of 94 the are but the had checkered stocks and shorter barrels
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    loose fore end on 94 Wichester carbine with Barrel Band, gun is unfired condition is this a normal finding on some of these rifles and is it reflective of the quality control and fit and finish on 1986 run rifles.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Winchester 94 serial #78870 32 win special.
    Is this gone Collectible?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have Winchester 94 rifle 26'' round barrel,higher grade wood with crescent trap door butt plate. The rifle was made in 1926. the hole in stock at trap door is 6'' deep. This seems short for a cleaning rod. Could the factory have made this for any other reason. Cody museum does not have the records for this rifle.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Winchester Model 94 lever action 30-30 the serial number is 1217701 and i am wondering if you can tell me when this gun was manufactured?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did any of the winchester 1894 rifles come with a shorter than 26 inch octagon barrel? I have one with a 20 inch octagon barrel. It does not look like the barrel has been cut off from a longer barrel.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are the differences of the pre and post 64' Winchester model 94 rifles?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Win 94 made around 1969 that has a nickeled or chromed receiver and was wondering if this was a factory job or aftermarket. It is not a commemorative as there are no markings except the regular Winchester barrel markings. Any info is appreciated. Terrill
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hey winchester fans! here,s one for you. picked up a great looking model 94 in 30-30, this thing shoots like you wouldn,t beleive. guy had it at estate sale for $260.00. here,s my question: on the ejector side of receiver just above ejector port, there is a tiny screw in receiver. just to the right and above ejector, there is a small hole. is there supposed to be a pin or small screw in there? about 1/2 inch above ejector? thanks for input. firearm digest makes this a 1965 year model, thanks
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a model 94 Winchester 30-30, probaby around 1952 based on its serial number. I'm wondering if anyone has a ballpark estimate of its worth, or where to go for it. The gun looks unfired (wood is undamaged, grease still on the hammer, lever and in the champer, no scratching of the metal, no pitting or rust). Thanks for any info.
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have run accross a model 94 carbine with barrel markings I have not seen in my reference books. Did Winchester mark barrels MADE IN NEW HAVEN? I have only seen the MADE IN used with USA. Also was the PROOF STEELE notation used on carbines? And did Winchester use a MODEL 94 30-30 win as a caliber marking?

    Thanks
    rcdis
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello Forum... I just purchased two Winchester 9412 rifles, new in the box, unfired. They have a notation on the box which says, "Assembled in Canada by Winchester." I have searched Gunbroker for Model 9412, to no avail. Can someone tell me: a.)Is there any negative affect to their value since they were 'made in Canada'??? b.) The approximate manufacture date??? c.) The approximate value??? d.) The significance of the '12' model designation???
    They are both in 100% condition with boxes and all factory papers.
    Thanks to all who reply.
    John
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did winchester produce any 94's without an upper tang marking?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend of mine has a Winchester Model 94 in 25-35 Cal. The serial number is 1434765. Does anyone have any idea of the date of manufacture, and assuming it is, in fact, in good condition the aproximate value? Thanks
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Winchester 94 sn90828, which according to my sn guide means that it was made ca. 1897. I wrote to Cody and they replied the only info in the records was that it was a 30 caliber carbine, which it is, but that it was recieved in the warehouse Sept. 12, 1900. Is it usuall for a 94 made in 1897 to not be warehoused until 1900? Any ideas?
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have the chance to buy a Winchester 94 like new in box from my brother. He said he has fired about 8 rounds through it. It's got the cross bolt safety and is .45 LC. I think it's a trapper because it's short. He said he would take $350 for it. How much is it worth now and how much will it be worth now that they wont make them anymore?
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello uncle milo...

    The most common factory installed receiver sight found on the Model 1894/94 was the Lyman No. 21 or 38. In later years (circa 1930s - 1950s), Winchester did install a Redfield receiver sight (mounted with holes as you describe), but it was a rare option. The vast majority of Winchester Model 94s found with holes drilled & tapped in the receiver are not factory original.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
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    Bert H : thank you for your reply. but i am not asking about what sights were used on the model 94. eather by the factory or by individual gun owners. back in the 40s and 50s it seemed like every other hunter in the woods [ northern michigan.] was carrying a winchester 94 with a receiver sight installed. i assume they were insalled buy the owners or their gun-smith. somewhere along the the line winchester started drilling and taping all the model 94 receivers at the factory for mounting these sights . i recently picked up a model 94 sn#16429xx that has the two little screw holes pluged with the filler screws. the gun is in excellent condition both the wood and blueing at what i wood rate at 98%. what i wound like to find out is were these holes on all model 94 leaving the factory in 1950 or a after market addition. eather way i think i got myself a real sweet little pre-64 and hope to put to good use this fall.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
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    I guess that I did not make myself real clear in the first reply. Winchester never drilled & tapped the receivers on the Model 94s as a regular course of action... it was a special order option only. Again, the vast majority of Model 94s found with D & T'd receivers were done at the local gun smitty's shop.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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    MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member, Moderator Posts: 9,986 ******
    edited November -1
    bert, are you sure about that i've seen many m94's (post ww2) that were d&t'ed for the receiver sight new in the box. weaver even made a scope mount to fit these holes and included 2 screws for the front hole (finger lever pin stop screw) for the pre and post 64 rifles. if i had to guess i'd say that all post ww2 rifles came this way.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
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    Hello Mike,

    To the very best of my knowledge, all of the pre-64 made 94s with receiver sights were special order options only. I have owned several that were manufactured in the very early 1950s, and personally handled several hundred more that were made post WW II... and they did not have drilled receivers. None of my many references list it as a regular production change either. Now, it very well might be that it was more often special ordered in the mid-west region of the U.S., but it was still a special order option.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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    uncle milouncle milo Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
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    Bert H: again i thank you for your reply. I guess what is confusing me on this issue is that every model 94 that i pick up has these pluged screw holes. at the last two gun-shows [flint & lansing ] i did not see a model 94 without them. unless it was a real old pre-war model. i know all the post-64 models i have looked at have had them. and i guess i just assumed that at at some point they just became a standard item on all 94s. i do NOT wish to sound like i am doubting you or arguing with you. i guess receiver sights and side scope mounts were more popular in this area then i thought. thank you for setting this old man straight.
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    DEG305DEG305 Member Posts: 469 ✭✭✭
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    My Father bought both my brother and my self new in the box mod 94 Winchesters in 1957 in Honesdale Pa. and both are drilled and tapped for reciever sights. I have a Lyman sight on mine and my brother still has the factory rear sight on his. These two 94's have never been out of the family and have never been to the gunsmith. OH and by the way, they have put a lot of meat on the table!

    Dewayne E. Geer,NRA life member, AF&AM_Knights Templer,York Rite Mason,623 Midland TEXAS
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
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    OK...

    Just to be 100% sure, I went and double checked all of my references (Pirkle, Houze, Rennenberg, Henshaw, and Madis)... all of them are in agreement that receiver sights for the Model 94 were always special order. I even looked through a few old catalogs, and the standard Model 94 Sporting Carbine was standard with a barrel mounted dovetail sight.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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    MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member, Moderator Posts: 9,986 ******
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    bert, i think we are talking about two different things here, not weather the rifles came with receiver sights or not. just that they have two 6x48 holes drilled to mount them. check your post war rifles and i'll bet all of them have the two holes.
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    BittersweatBittersweat Member Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm no '94 expert, but...
    My 1964 (verified) Win '94 was sold in Colorado and came with the receiver drilled and tapped for future sight options. Both holes were plugged with small screws.
    Hope this helps.
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