357 mag tubular ammo

liketoown

At one time copper tubular ammo was manufactured in 38 cal and 357 mag by PMC. It is a fairly accurate round. Why was production discontinued? Is this ammo produced by any other company?

Laredo Lefty

I have 2 boxes of that ammo. Not sure why it was discontinued, possibly because it was not a big seller. They have very light bullets so are probably not good man stoppers. I dont think any other companies make it.

EVILDR235

There was a post sometime back about this ammo. It was a real man stopper.a person shot with it would bleed out very quick.The hollow bullet would cut a hollow channel that was very difficult to repair in the hospital O.R. I believe the feds may have something to do with it being dropped.
EvilDr235

XXCross

It went away for the same reason "Black Tallon" did.
Read EVILDR235, got it right.

Bill DeShivs

I doubt that. Wadcutters will make the same type channel.

silver salmon

load Rainer plated HP in your 357 mag brass they are soft and flatten out quickly...tearing an awful hole thru flesh. I shot a dead 200# hog carcass with one to see what damage it would do...WHEW!

beantownshootah

quote:Originally posted by Bill DeShivs
I doubt that. Wadcutters will make the same type channel.


Well, in practice, true wadcutter bullets are usually all lead, and their penetration is limited by both bullet softness and the low velocities they are loaded to.

Further, while they punch a perfectly round hole in paper, soft tissue is far more distensible, and wadcutters still only displace it.

A hard tubular bullet (like the PMC "cyclone") could literally cut out a core of tissue, like a wide biopsy needle, which would be a more serious wound.

IIRC these bullets were banned as "armour piercing" because they are not made of lead.

11b6r

They also tend to clip a neat hole thru Kevlar fabric. They went away because of being designated as AP rounds by the BATFE.

liketoown

Thank you for all of your responses. Beantownshootah you are correct.
By checking further it was determined to be an ap round and discontinued. Laredo lefty if you are interested in selling any of what you have let me know.

rufe-snow

I had a number of boxes of this stuff years ago. They were loaded in two calibers, .38 Special & .44 Special. The ones that the feds got on PMC about and made them stop producing were the.38 Specials with the solid brass bullets. The later PMC production .38's & .44's with the copper colored bullets, ( as shown in the photo are legal ). If you do a search on the BATF web-site under the topic of banned projectiles, they will specifically identify the type they forced PMC to quit producing.

My understanding PMC quit making this stuff in the early 90's, not because of the government. But because they were violating the patent of the guy who invented this type of projectile.