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M-1 carbine

Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
edited February 2009 in Ask the Experts
I know this is scant info, but can anyone give me an idea of what an M-1 carbine made in Saginaw in about 80% condition would be worth assuming all the numbers match? Were any of the reproductions made in Saginaw? Again sketchy info, but would like to know before I go to pains to track this down.....

Thanks,
Dan
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know I'll most likely get varied opinions on this one, but possibly a consensus. Which is what I'm looking for. I purchased a newly manufactured Isreal Arms International M-1 carbine recently. I'm not knocking IAI, however, some of the fit and finish in my humble opion needs work. If I wanted to have the gun blued to a highly polished royal blue, a new "select" walnut stock and hand gaurd added with a beautiful laquer finish put on with special attention to fit, and have someone go over the entire reciever,bolt,etc, with painstaking care to make this a "best" you can get for reliablity, beauty, and funtionality. Who would in your opinion be "THE" authority on M-1 carbine's w/ a shop or if the individual himself can do it would I send it to, money not not being an issue. And lastly someone who is easy to work with. Any input is greatly appreciated.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an old M-1 arbine made by Inland and I want to know what it is worth. SN. 523508. The barrel states Inland Mfg. Div. A date of 7-43 is on the barrel. The front barrel band has the letter A with a circle around it and a bayonet lug. The mag. release button has an M with a line under it. It has a pistol grip stock with a retracting metal buttstock. It has a large knurled screwhead on the left side and when loosened the round steel stock slides to the rear. I would appreciate any info and prices. I looked at other guns for sale and they seemed to have folding stocks instead of a sliding one.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I ask this question on general discussion and I guess I should have ask it here. All the carbines I have seen have a 18 in. barrel. I was in a gun store the other day and saw one with a 16 in. barrel and it does not appear to have been cut. It has the W behind the front sight and normal wearing around the end of the barrel. Has anyone else ever seen or heard of this. Thanks. Sam.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only markings on this rifle are the number 3 and a very faint stamp inside of a flattened pentagon IMR. There is no marking under the sight. The slide is run by 1 spring like a military rifle.

    no year ,,,sn 471633 can any body figure age and make.
    This is a m-1 carbine.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was at a gun show looking for a magazine for a carbine and found a carbine that had the serial number removed from the receiver but It had a serial number added to the top of recoil Plate. I could not see all the way under the rear sight but I could not see anything at all. It appeared to me the builders name and everything had been removed. Has anybody ever seen anything like that? Why would it be done.
    I have seen some of the WW11 receivers polished off and somebodies initials put where the serial number was.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i have inquired about this rifle under an earlier topic while mistakenly giving the wrong ser#.i am a new member and would someone let me know if i am in violation of forum rules by using a new topic for the same gun.i have inherited what i believe is a M-1 carbine.it is small,lightwieght,has the winchester name under the rear sight,and the ser# 55587xx.can anyone out there tell me when it was made?

    I'll just lock the earlier thread and you can continue on with this one.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i am thinking about selling my grandfaters m-1 it is very good condition, and believe all the numbers match, was told it could be worth a few bucks but never was given a dollor amount.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just picked up a very clean Ingersol Rand Carbine Serial # 3820264. Any idea where I might check to see when it was made??
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have just gotten an M-1 carbine made by Inland Div. G.M. date is 7-44. It is in perfect condition. It does not look as if it was ever issued. It has all the cartouches on it and the finish on both metal and wood is 99+++% It has the o.d. canvas sling and the oiler. Whats this thing worth. I am into single shot and muzzle loaders. I took this thing in trade. I saw some on Gunlist at from $1200 to $1900 . HELP !!

    bob levine
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are the posibilites of turning a .30 cal. carbine into a .38 super?
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Every M1 carbine made had a manufacturers name on it when it left the factory. So, that would mean that yours has been "scrubbed", or may be a "re-weld"; check the receiver for signs that it is made of 2 halves.

    If it is a USGI carbine, the SN would make it an Inland. If we could see photos, we might be able to figure out more.

    Neal
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neal,, A picture of a carbine is a carbine. you get nothing i haven't told you with a picture. The rifle has been inspected by 3 gun shops in this area and it is not a reweld.
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  • givettegivette Member Posts: 10,886 ✭
    edited November -1
    At least tell the panel if the receiver has been machined to accept a recoil spring sleeve. If the receiver has a recoil spring sleeve, then it's Winchester.

    ..wish I could help, but this string has reached an impasse. Joe
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  • 322nd322nd Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Da tank, You're words are not descriptive enough. I think everyone would agree that photos are needed. Kim
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  • HollywoodHollywood Member Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote: At least tell the panel if the receiver has been machined to accept a recoil spring sleeve. If the receiver has a recoil spring sleeve, then it's Winchester.


    ...or an early Inland, or a Quality Hardware. Granted the serial number puts it in the Inland range approximately June of '43, but all three makers had spring tube models.
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  • Emmett DunhamEmmett Dunham Member Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Were is the serial number on the rifle! Are the other parts of the rifle GI issue, what kind of barrel does it have, is the gas block differnt than the standard GI, is there a maker mark or date on the barrel, have you looked under barrel band to see if there are any marking there or on the flat of the barrel. There were other mnaufactures of carbines like Alpine and many whole in the wall after market receivers that someone could have built your rifle on.



    Emmett
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  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you sure the manufacturer is not hidden under the rear sight assembly?
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Letter M on the mag. release. I see no sleeve in the hole of the receiver. Blot is round. just found inside of the U shaped end of the operating rod number3 and a box with a U.there is no markings under the rear sight. The sn is where it belongs.

    Well taking it apart again did it. Thank you guys. While oiling it as i put it back together I found the name. Inland Div. general moters. It is on the barrel about 1 inch below the frount sight.

    Thanks again
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  • ltslts Member Posts: 811 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    well now we know who made the barrel. behind the rear sight above the serial number is where you can't see due to the rear sight. it's light and magnifying glass time to see who made the receiver.
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  • Emmett DunhamEmmett Dunham Member Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most likley it an Inland carbine, they are real hard to read or maybe it says DO NOT SHOOT under there.

    Emmett
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