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1864 Springfield rolling block

murphsmustangsmurphsmustangs Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
edited September 2016 in Ask the Experts
Ok boys and girls I need help on identifying my 1864 Springfield rolling block carbine. It is marked on the tang
Remingtons'Illion.N.Y.U.S.A.
Pat. may 3d Nov.15 1864 April 17th 1866
Aug. 27th 1867 Nov 7th 1871
Barrel marked BHB, butt plate and front stock band marked with a B.
Stock marked 112 near butt plate and ST over A just rear of receiver. Not sure of the T.
Barrel is 22" round bored to 50 Cal.
I believe this is a model 2 which is 1 1/2" wide receiver although mine measures 1 3/8".
Sorry to say the rifle has been reblued and the stock has been refinished but looks good anyway. Would their be any serial numbers inside the receiver or other marks elsewhere?
Any help would be appreciated on the rarity of this piece and an approximate value. Thanks, Mike

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Comments

  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,649 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Need quality close-up photos. Your R-B is kind of unusual. Some of the earlier percussion muzzle loaders, were reworked into R-B's. But they wouldn't have been marked with the late patent dates, i.e. Nov. 7th 1871.

    Instructions for posting photos at this link.

    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
  • murphsmustangsmurphsmustangs Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hope these photos help
  • Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Agreeing.

    Looks like a NY, rufe. But what are those holes behind the rear sight? Looks like it once had a different rear sight, although the present one looks correct.
  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,649 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe it was originally made as a Saddle Ring Carbine. For the New York State militia (National Guard).

    Remington made/sold, something like 15,000 mostly rifles, in the early 1870's.

    Thumb lever that protrudes outward for breech block, is one of the key indicators. Also should have a action that returns to half cock, when breech is closed. Inspector marks should be, "H.B.H."

    Rare and very desirable R-B carbine. The refinish kills the value though. From my perspective, all it's now good for is as a wall hanger/ conversation piece. No collectors value.
  • murphsmustangsmurphsmustangs Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the info guys. My dislexia is working though. The barrel is marked HBH not BHB.
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member, Moderator Posts: 9,752 ******
    edited November -1
    THE SER. # SHOULD BE MARKED ON THE L.H. SIDE OF THE TANG, YOU WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE BUTT STOCK TO SEE IT.
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member, Moderator Posts: 29,705 ******
    edited November -1
    I'm not sure why you're calling it a Springfield when it's clearly a Remington. Nonetheless, it is a Remington rolling block saddle ring carbine. The high hammer, also known as a "Mule Ear", indicates possible issuance to NY State. One way to tell is to cock the hammer to full cock, open the breech as if loading it, and then close the breech. On a NY State militia model, the hammer will automatically fall to half-cock.
  • murphsmustangsmurphsmustangs Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had Springfield on the brain for some reason. I need a proof reader. It does have a half cock or safety feature. You were the first to notice the Springfield error. Buy yourself a cigar. Thanks
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member, Moderator Posts: 29,705 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by murphsmustangs
    I had Springfield on the brain for some reason. I need a proof reader. It does have a half cock or safety feature. You were the first to notice the Springfield error. Buy yourself a cigar. Thanks

    OK, it's definitely a NY State contract carbine. It's too bad about the major refinishing job but it's still a pretty little thing! I agree with rufe-snow regarding its collectability but it is what it is. By the way, the "HBH" stands for government inspector H.B. Hart.
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