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unknown pistol

ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
edited February 2008 in Ask the Experts
I have a pistol that I am trying to identify.. here is a link to photographs.. http://groups.msn.com/THEGUNROOM/unknownpistol.msnw?Page=Last it is simular to a Webley but from a cabelas gun store they tell me it is not. anybody have any help. these simbols are on the inside of the action. 3 on cylinder rear.. 3G and a symbol like a k ]< on the front of the cylinder there is TD and a oval with a E
L G
* on the inside. on the left side of the barrel is a *PG or *P6, that simbol appears on the front of the cylinder also.
On the left side of the barrel there is a VP.
It is in a box that has a label James Gibson and Co. gun and rifle makers. 122 west nile street Glascow
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone identify this pistol

    www.Photoshed.net/is.php?i=11471&img=Picture_052.jpg
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone identify this pistol? It has a 3" barrel a .625" bore. the trigger unfolds when the hammer is cocked. It is a percussion cap muzzle loader. It was supposed to have ben brought from the Civil War. I have photos but was unable to post them. I'm not too sharp on the computor. Any help appreciated. JC
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only proof mark on it (ELG on the cylinder) indicates it is of Belgian origin, however with the maker's case from Scotland it's a bit of a puzzler. There is a similar revolver, identified as a Belgian Top Break in .450 at this web address http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=6039 . There is also this information on a Belgian Top Break Revolver

    A picture of the following gun has been posted here: http://groups.msn.com/THEGUNROOM/unknownpistol.msnw?Page=Last
    1890. Belgian six shot, break open, double action revolver by Arnant.Fransouet. The frame and cylinder are nickel plated with floral engraving. The horn grips also have a carved floral design. The barrel is engraved U.ARNANT.FRANSOUET Bte and a Belgian proof mark is stamped on the cylinder. The frame has a double clip action release and a lanyard ring on the butt cap. The pistol is contained in a British brown leather service holster that is missing the top strap and stamped 2829 on the front.

    It has single belt loop at the rear. Barrel length: 140 (mm); Calibre: 11 (mm); Overall length: 270 (mm). This revolver was taken from a German officer during the First World War. It was in the possession of a member of Woy Woy R.S.L. Association who asked to have it sent to Australian War Memorial.

    well guys do you think this is the same manufacturer? ever hear of U.ARNANT.FRANSOUET Bte?
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  • hrfhrf Member Posts: 857 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The ELG in an oval is the Liege, Belgium trademark. Gibson of Glasgow would have just been the retailer.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello I believe either French or German Or most like Belgian I will look up all the markings in the morning at least the three in the oval is Belgian is there any Script on the barrel and what if any is the headstamp on the AMMO?
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  • hrfhrf Member Posts: 857 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry, I meant Liege PROOFmark, not trademark!
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's a Belgian made revolver. With construction simularites to those made by Warnant & Francotte. Probably not made by either of these manufacturers though. They were made in this style specifically for sale in England, by well known English gunsmiths/retailers.

    Unusual to find it nickel plated though. It might have been made for sale/use in the English colonies.
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    the ammo is stamped KYNOCH 450
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    the only markings on the barrel are the VP on the off side and a very small stamping on the near side that appears again on the front of the cylender.. it looks like a *PG or P6
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am trying to sell it for my mother, Cabelas will appraise it and make an offer if they can figure out what it is..
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello IMHO if CABELA's does not know enough to know what it is they will low ball the price[:(][xx(]. I think you would be money ahead to sell it here on this site with good picture. Tell Cabela's the experts say that it is very rare piece that predate all other centerfire revolvers and is worth hundreds of dollars if not thousands,[:p]
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  • ol hounddogol hounddog Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Perry shooter, you are probably right. Cabelas did say that something, a stamp or? indicated it was black powder cartridge, that dated the gun prior to a certain date that was like 1860? I don't remember that date or if that has an adverse effect or positive on the value, but that and that webleys made in england would have had many stampings on them indicated that it wasn't made in england anyway.
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  • MBKMBK Member Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As I suggested in Gunroom that it is like a Webley, those designs were copied by Enfield. Check some of their old gun pictures.
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