California Legal CETME 308?

chrysler354

I love this rifle and would love to own it, but I am so confused on the California gun laws. I don't want to get a fixed mag, and I don't want to cut off the pistol grip.

Are there any variants of this gun that ARE California legal? I know that the "sporter" model is not, but what about the SAR-8?

Like I said above, it would be amazing to own this rifle. Is there any possibility of me owning this within California?

Thanks,

Chrysler 354

Laredo Lefty

In a word, no.

Any centerfire rifle that uses a detachable magazine cannot have a pistol grip or any of the other evil features enumerated in the assault weapons law.

The Cetme and SAR 8 both fall into the AW catagory due to their characteristics. The AW's owned in Cal prior to 1-1-2000 were grandfathered in and could be kept if registered with the Calif DOJ.

The only way I know of is to find one of these models that uses a detachable magazine but requires the use of a tool to remove it. A tool can be the point of a bullet.

Currently companies are making versions of AR-15's that still have the mag release button but it has been modified so that it cannot be released manually, but needs a tool to release.

The Calif Dept of Justice ( DOJ) has determined that a bullet tip qualifies as a "tool" for the purposes of the law.

dfletcher

Pay a visit: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

CA law bans certain center fire semi autos by name and also bans certain features - a detachable mag with a pistol grip or flash suppressor or folding stock for example. The key on many of these is the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. The AR guys have worked a way around this by creating CA legal guns that require the use of a small, simple tool to readily remove the magazine. As a practical matter they can pop out a 10 round mag pretty much as quickly as a regular AR.

Another approach is to replace the pistol grip with a CA legal modified one. Again, the AR guys have one (Monster Man Grip) and the FAL guys may have them also.

Unless the rifle is specifically banned by name, there's probably a way to configure it for legal use in CA. As an example, the Mech Tech unit, when a handgun frame is added, is considered an illegal AW in CA. In addition, using the collapsible wire stock is not legal since the gun can be made less than 30" OAL. But I've modified the mag release to require the use of a tool to switch mags and modified the telescoping wire stock so it won't go under 30" OAL. A little creativity, easy to do and easy to undo. And yes, it's absolute BS that we should have to do this, but that's what we have for now.

Visit the site, there's probably info that will help.

chrysler354

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it.

I was thinking about the fixed mag, but I didn't know if it was a pain to use or not. From your words it sounds like its not half bad. In my opinion its definitely better than modifying the pistol grip. Thats what makes this rifle what it is.

Once again, thanks so much for the input.

dfletcher

quote:Originally posted by chrysler354
Thanks for the input, I appreciate it.

I was thinking about the fixed mag, but I didn't know if it was a pain to use or not. From your words it sounds like its not half bad. In my opinion its definitely better than modifying the pistol grip. Thats what makes this rifle what it is.

Once again, thanks so much for the input.



The main two things to remember regarding the fixed mag is that "fixed" does not mean permanent - so long as a tool is used to detach the mag you're fine. And when using a fixed mag it can not be greater than 10 round capacity.

chrysler354

please correct me if I'm wrong, is the mechacnism that makes the magazine "fixed" attached to the magazine or is the rifle itself modified to use a fixed mag. Basically what I'm asking is, is it a special magazine that makes it fixed, or a part that attatches to the rifle?

Laredo Lefty

Its on the rifle. On the samples I have seen the original release button has been re-designed so that it requires a pointed "tool" like the tip of a bullet to release the mag.

The gun still uses regular AR type magazines.

dfletcher

The most often seen method is that the mag release is covered or modified in such a way as to not allow it to be used by hand, but a smaller device (a tool) must be used. A very simple example would be to picture the AR release with a cover over it, and a hole in the cover that's so small that only a 223 bullet tip (or similar tool)can be pushed through and depress the mag release.

sandwarrior

this comes off the California Weapons section from the California Department of Justice:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2owfoq

or

http://tinyurl.com/2owfoq

From what I'm reading an Assault weapon is ANY of the items in the assault weapon list {pg 15.) not a combination of items like the Federal ATF regs.

Can't own a thumbhole stock!!! No wonder they lead the nation in crime!!!

mutter

Move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11