Remington Model Seven or Model 700

adi_kcd

Hi there.
I am interested in buying a gun. The problem is I have to take a hard decision and choose between a Remington Model Seven or Model 700 rifle.
I do understand that the Seven is a short action rifle and the 700 is a long action rifle,so I would have a few questions that I would like your help on:
1) Does anyone know the approximate MAX EFFECTIVE RANGE of either of these guns?
2) What ammunition would be best for shooting somewhere in between 600 ft and 1000 ft.
3) What type of scope would you recommend for that distance?
4) is it possible I might need one of those spacers to set the elevation correctly for that distance?

thank you in advance for you help

JustC

the rem700 is either short or long action,..the model secven is a slight variation of the short action 700. The model 7 will typically have a shorter and lighter barrel with slim lined stock for easy carry.

You did not specify a chambering which will (along with barrel length) determine the effective range of the particular rifle.

adi_kcd

Yes.my mystake.
For a model 700 I am thinking of long action. I just managed to find on the web that the max effective range is somewhere around 800 m with .223 Rem ammo on a 660 mm barrell..
For the Model Seven,I was thinking of 7mm-08 ammo.The barrell is around 20-22" in length..If I try hard enough maybe I can get a Model Seven SPS Varming with a 26" barrell.But I wouldn't count on that.
I still haven't found an answer for the rest of the questions so I would be grateful if you could help.

cheers

duckhunter

What are you going to hunt??

JustC

I am guessing you are thinking of target work?? if not,..then the 223 is wayyyy out of the question for game other than varmints.

A 20-22" barrel will steal a lot of velocity from the 7mm-08, or at least will limit it to lower muzzle velocity and therefore effective range.

Do you plan on hunting or target shooting???

800m is a stretch for a 223 without it being built correctly with a fast twist barrel, using heavy bullets and handloads. I would look at larger dia calibers.

for shooting in the 200yd-330yd range you mentioned,...most anything will do, but close-up target work often proves that "less is more". There is no need of big magnums or even long VLD pills for that short distance. For that,...I would look more at the 222rem, 223rem 243win, 260rem, 6.5x55, 7mm-08, and 308win. The ammunition will need to be whatever prints the best out of your particular rifle. Look at premium ammo with nosler balistic tips or match grade ammo,..however many of the choices won't offer match ammo. FYI

for that short a distance also, most any decent mid-range scope will do. I prefer a Burris Signature to the Leupold VXIII however,..they are both close to one another. Another choice would be Nikon Monarch or Weaver V series or T series or possibly an IOR Valdada. Either way,..buy one with target turrits so you can dial to zero.

You can easily make 330yds with most any scope,...but don't buy a cheap one. Figure on $450-??. A spacer (which I DON'T recommend) or better yet,..an inclined base (10moa, 20moa, 30moa) can simply be bolted on to correct for lots of elevation adjustment,..but that is a mute point for 330yds as a max. If you look for one,..consider
Ken Farrell, Badger Ordnance, Near Manuf, IOR Valdada, Nightforce, Leupold MK IV, TPS,....etc.

adi_kcd

Yeah..I am interested in target practice..But I do intend to take the hun to some deer or wild pork hunting trips.So I do need the bullets to have some energy left in them when it hits the thick pork.
Basically,I want to target practice around 200-300 m and gradually increase to around 500m maybe even 600m..
That's why I was asking about the ammo..
What I am trying to understand is how the ammo influences the range.
From what I understand, bigger bullets means more power but less range?
I would need your help in choosing between the different ammo's and also, I need to make to choose the weapon.The 7 or the 700..
I don't want to bug you too much,but I really don't want to buy one and then regret I didn't get more involved to know more about it.

Based on the specifications,what advice would you give for the gun and ammo?
The weight of the gun or the size of the gun shouldn't matter at all as I am still young and still fit.So I won't have any problems carrying the gun around while hunting.
Again,thank you for clearing things out about the scopes and elevation.

RCrosby

The 7 is nice if your primary concern is carrying a rifle all day long and don't want to deal with unneccessary weight. Since weight doesn't seem like a factor for you, and long range target shooting is part of the picture, I'd say the 700 would be the best choice. As for cal., a .280 or 7mm Mag. both sound reasonable to me. Lots of other good choices too.

carbine100

I would opt for the 700 for the longer barrel. 500/600m will be better with greater velocity. Longer barrel will give you added velocity for calibers listed. Stiffer barrels will also as a rule give better accuracy. As you state weight is not an issue, I would look for a bull (thicker) barreled rifle. Some good calibers for long range target and deer/pigs would be any 300 mag, 7mm mag, 6.5/284 (may want to look at Savage's F-class rifle as this is a favorite 1000 yard compitition caliber) 338 mag, 30-06, 308. for scopes I would look at 4.5X14 power as a starting point. It is a good hunting scope for ranges listed, and high enough power out to 500/600m. For strictly long range target, I would look at fixed 36X.

JustC

I would look hard at the remington 700 or the savage heavy barrel rigs. Don't buy one with a sloppy injection molded stock,..they are flimsy and don't bed well. Best target results, and therefore long hunting shots will be acheived with a heavy barrel and a stiff stock. Look at the 243win up to?????

I have great luck in a few rifles with fed prem ammo in the Nosler Balistic tip loads for great accuracy. Even better than a lot of "match" ammo.

You need to use a bullet that weighs enough, to be long enough, to have a high enough BC, to drift less and retain energy at longer ranges. That is why most all match bullets are heavy-for-caliber. And NO,..heavier pills don't mean less range unless you chose a case too small to adequately push them. Generally,..a heavier pill,..when pushed at 2700+ fps will retain more energy at distance and be effected less by wind and gravity at extended ranges.

tsr1965

quote:Originally posted by adi_kcd
Yes.my mystake.
For a model 700 I am thinking of long action. I just managed to find on the web that the max effective range is somewhere around 800 m with .223 Rem ammo on a 660 mm barrell..
For the Model Seven,I was thinking of 7mm-08 ammo.The barrell is around 20-22" in length..If I try hard enough maybe I can get a Model Seven SPS Varming with a 26" barrell.But I wouldn't count on that.
I still haven't found an answer for the rest of the questions so I would be grateful if you could help.

cheers



Get yourself a Remington 700, or a Tikka T-3 in 30-06 or 270 Winchester. You will be hard pressed to beat this combination on any hunting field. You mentioned deer and wild pork...the 223 is not the gun for your endeavors then...especially out to the 600-800m mark you are talking about. Put a good scope on it too.

nononsense

adi_kcd,

Welcome to the Gunbroker forums!

We are fortunate today to have manufacturers that are putting the extra effort into providing more and better information for us to use regarding their products. The area of ballistics was always a bugaboo for the general public but with the increasing desire and awareness of the public to know more about it, the manufacturers have responded with some interesting features on their websites.

Remington, Winchester and Federal have small ballistic features that are capable of providing cartridge comparisons by simply filling in some blanks. They contain energy figures along with short and long(?) range ballistics. I suggest spending some time with these websites and then take a look at others like Norma who have an applet on their site for some ballistics.

I think every shooter should have at least 2 reloading manuals even if they don't reload. There is an amazing amount of information in these books that applies to all shooters not just reloaders. Besides, they provide us with additional knowledge that will improve our overall understanding of ammunition and shooting in general.

Once you've spent some time evaluating cartridges with the simple programs above and doing the additional reading in reloading manuals, you should be better prepared to either ask more questions or go about the process of selecting the proper cartridges to accomplish your goals.

I realize that the United Kingdom covers a lot of ground but I think you would enjoy contacting another member who lists his location as the United Kingdom in his profile. Use the 'members' button in the upper right corner of these pages and type in 'mond' in the search box to get his contact information. He hunts and shoots so he might be of some help for some of your questions.

Start another thread if you want to take this further for more discussion.

Best.