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Which Caliber

hadjiihadjii Member Posts: 976 ✭✭
edited March 2008 in Ask the Experts
Earlier I had posted a question on getting started shooting competitively. I don't really want to invest a bunch of money in a rifle for what I want to do, at least not until I know for sure that this is something I want to get into head over heels. My question is this. I have a 6.5mm Rem Mag and a 280 Remington that I would dedicate to shooting, but I don't know which. Any thoughts on which one of these 2 would give me the most performance at say, 50 yards to 500 yards? Thank you

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  • hadjiihadjii Member Posts: 976 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here I go again with another crazy question. Hope everybody doesn't mind when I start thinking. I can get dangerous. Anyway, if you were going to build a rifle to shoot 1000 yard events, what caliber would be preferred? I have 2 in mind, but if I'm way off in left field with my soccer bat and ice skates, let me know. The 2 calibers I am thinking off is the 264 Win Mag, and the 300 RUM. Thanks for your patience with the mentally challenged. LOL
  • charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    7mm boattail bullets fly better IMHO. I'd take both out and see which one shoots better at 300.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hadjii,

    You couldn't have picked two better cartridges to try shooting some competitions with, if you had tried. Both are exceptionally good cartridges and both have bullets that will work for shooting at the longer ranges. The 6.5 has been proved out by the 6.5 x 284 which has nearly the same capacity and can be used in a short action. The .280 Rem. or many of the mid-capacity 7mm cartridges are perfectly suitable with appropriate bullets of which there are a few.

    The factory barrel length will be the limiting factor, since most factory barrels are shorter than I prefer for shooting at the longer ranges. Considering your limit of 500 yards you shouldn't see but a nickels worth of difference between the two.

    Really the choice will be determined by what type of competition you intend to try.

    Best.
  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hadjii,

    When nononsense says a few, I narrow it down to one, ...or two if you have the time to wait. They are the Berger 168 VLD which will work with a 1-10" twist and the JLK of the same weight. JLK's have a better BC because they have a longer ogive. But they take a little time to get to you. Worth the wait. Most everybody want's .30 cal.
    If you really want to go extreme go with 180's. They have BC's closer to .700. They fly like nothing else.
  • hadjiihadjii Member Posts: 976 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    nononsense, both of the rifles have 22 inch barrels. I believe the 6.5 may be a bit heavier than the 280, but not by much. I'm sure you're probably right about the length being a bit short, but I'm sure either rifle can outshoot me no matter the length. That may be something I address at a later date. It just depends on whether I develop a real passion for shooting competitively or whether I just want to continue to shoot for fun. Thanks for the replies everybody.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hadjii,

    I didn't mean to imply that the shorter barrels won't work because they will. The shorter lengths just limit the amount of velocity that any particular load can build over having a greater length.

    The two bullets that have worked well for me in the 6.5 Rem. Mag. are the Lapua 123 gr. Scenar and the Norma 130 gr. VLD. A common powder that will work with the shorter barrels is IMR-4831.

    The .280 Rem. can use the 162 gr. Hornady AMAX, 168 gr. Berger, 168 gr. Sierra MK, 175 gr. Sierra MK and the 180 gr. Berger. I'd try the AA-XMR-4350 and IMR-4831.

    I enjoy competing on different levels. Shooter are some of the greatest folks on the face of the earth. They will go out of their way to help you get started in any of the competitions. The chatting between relays and the exchange of information is amazing. The camaraderie has to be experienced. So find the ones near you and go shoot!

    Best.
  • Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What kind of competition are you looking at?
    There are other considerations than caliber. My old .30-06 will give me higher velocity for flatter trajectory and less windage, but my .308 is more accurate on paper and is in a better stock for the position I shoot from (prone over a bipod in NRA F-T/R competition.)
  • hadjiihadjii Member Posts: 976 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hawk Carse I'm not sure yet. I'm in the infintile stages of learning about competitive shooting. When I get joined up with the Izaac Walton league I will get into the learning stages of what kind of competitions they have. I want to get into something pretty basic at first where I can just shoot one of my hunting rifles to see if I get passionate about it. If I do, then I will figure out how to aquire a really nice rifle then. If I don't get totally crazy about shooting in competition, then I won't have to worry about it. The 2 rifles that I have that I think would work best is a Remington 673 in 6.5 Rem Mag, and a 700ADL in 280. They'll both shoot 1" and less groups at 100 yards, and I haven't really tried to milk them any further. One of them,(I don't know which yet) is scheduled to go to Gordy's Gun Shop in the summer to get tuned up and bedded to dial it in some more. Whatever he thinks will help is what I'll have done. Well, I should say I'll have him do what I can afford to have him do to dial it in. This will be a learning experience, I'll say that. I am looking forward to the summer, and trying things out anyway.
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