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ARISAKA RESTORATION

swfan601swfan601 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
edited March 2008 in Ask the Experts
I recently acquired an Arisaka Type 99 apparently a bring back as the mum is totally intact and serial numbers on barrel, receiver, bolt and extractor match. The rifle was in pretty good shape with about 40 to 50% finish remaining. Previous owner apparently wished to sportarize and had taken the stock off and attempted to replace with an sporter. Problem: had most or I've acquired most of the parts reasonably cheap, still missing front sight assembly and forearm which, hopefully, I can locate soon. Bigest problem, previous owner apparntly bent plum shaped bolt handle down. There appears to be a silver colored deposit on top of the handle where it joins the bolt. I realize that this is a one piece unit, not soldered, and with close inspection I do not see any cracks on the underside of the handl. Question, is it possible or feasable to attempt to straighten the handle or should I leave it alone and purchase another bolt? Sorry for the long question, but I would really appreciate any expert advice.

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  • mongrel1776mongrel1776 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My concern would be the effects of heating and bending/welding the bolt a second time. I've turned bolts handles down on Mausers and was careful to use heat paste, a heat sink (a thread-in unit as well as the vise itself), and a wire-feed welder that keeps the heat fairly well localized, but you have no guarantee similar precautions were taken with your rifle's bolt. And, again, I don't know how many times it'd be prudent to weld or bend the handle, even with re-heat-treating after each effort. Unless someone else weighs in with experience or knowledge that dictates otherwise, I'd look into buying another bolt. Headspace would have to be verified and the numbers wouldn't match, but if you plan to shoot the rifle safety has to be a major concern.
  • swfan601swfan601 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you for the advice. I was most interested in restoring for historic purposes with a view that it might be test fired but not on a regular basis. But, in respect to your advice, I would rather err on the side of caution and not try to straighten the bolt handle and maybe acquire another bolt and have it checked for headspace.
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if done properly you should be ok, but the heat reqired to do this will discolor the steel. you would need to polish the affected area and refinish.
  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    Former Arisaka collector here. At one time I owned over 30 of them of all types. Now just a couple.
    With intact Mum and matching numbers, your T-99 was likely a battlefield pickup. And therefore would've been the most desireable in terms of collectibility. Before "Bubba" (name Milsurp collectors use for people who sporterize Milsurp rifles) got ahold of it.
    As with most collecting fields, Arisaka values depend highly on originality. You could probably do a decent job on the cheap putting together a complete rifle. But if originality/collector value are important, it will be harder/more expensive.
    Finding a handguard probably won't be too hard. But to do it right you'll want one that matches the finish on your stock. And some different Arisaka arsenals, or even series within same arsenal, had different shades of color finishes. You'd want to find the same Arsenal made handguard w/same finish of same or nearly same series.
    As for hardware, same thing. One of the things that makes Arisaka's such an interesting collector field is the MANY variations. So you would need to do some research and learn what type of hardware was originaly used.
    Example: Early rifles had front sights w/protective "ears". Later rifles had plain front sight w/o "ears".
    Same w/barrel bands. Early had monopod type rear bands and 3 screw front band. Later has plain rear and 2 screw front. And late war "Last Ditch" T-99's are a whole new ball game.
    It all depends on how much you are interested in originality. You could easily slap together a rifle that looks complete, but is a Frankenstein of incorrect parts that most people wouldn't notice. But it would be OBVIOUS to a collector.
    If originality is of concern, w/some research and searching you could probably find a correct Arsenal/series COMPLETE stock set w/or w/o harware. And aquire the correct hardware piecemeal. (Most hardware wasn't Arsenal marked as stocks were, so as long as correct type, it would "technically" be correct.)
    I would be happy to help you learn which Arsenal Series you have, and what would be the "correct" type replacement parts to aquire.
    To the bolt. Alto headspace could be an issue, in my experience it seldom is w/Arisaka's. There are litterally millions of mis-matched bolt Arisaka's out there that fire just fine. In my collecting experience, I ran across only ONE headspace problem on a mismatched rifle. So the odds are that you could buy a replacement bolt and be OK. You could have it checked for safety sake. But many that might "technically" check as unsafe, actually fire just fine. The action is so strong and the tolerances so wide that the headspace has to be REAL BAD to be unsafe. Most Arisaka collectors don't bother w/gauges. They just tie the rifle down (to an old tire or whatever you can devise) and test fire using a string tied to the trigger. Listen for odd sounding report and check action/spent cases for potential problems. LIke I said, probably 90+ % of the time, it's OK or has only minor case bulging. Not a problem unless you want to reload your ammo.
    I do recall that there was a guy who professionall "un-bent" bubbatised bolts. And did a respectable enough job that only advanced collectors "might" spot it. Don't recall who he is, but if you post your question on the Gunboards.com Japanese forum, (that's where the Arisaka guru's hang out) I'm sure they could tell you. IMO that would be best. But much more expensive than a mis-matched replacement.
    So really it comes down to this. How much is it worth to you to do a decent restoration? To do it right could run you possibly a couple hundred dollars. Or you could slap a complete "looking" rifle together cheaper.
    Like I said, happy to help w/research info. Or the guru's at Gunboards could help also.
    Fatstrat@webtv.net
  • martinicadetmartinicadet Member Posts: 273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've got a stripped bolt body, if you are interested contact me @ Don@craftsmanliteco.com
  • crazy charliecrazy charlie Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    surplusrifle.com
    You'll probably have to Google search for the site and they have a pretty nice collection of stats.
    To make it all original again ain't gonna be cheap and I doubt what you'll have in it you'll probably never get back. As far as personal satisfaction, well that's another story.
    The previous poster hit the nail right on the head.
    If it were me I'd test fire it and if ok, and I wanted a shooter, I'd go ahead and turn it into a nice sporter.
    If you want a collector item log on to the Arisaka folks at surplus rifle and you can get a good idea what you might spend for another one vs. restoring what you have.
  • swfan601swfan601 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to all who have answered my inquiry about the Arisaka type 99 bolt. I really appreciate the advice and input. I believe, after checking on a couple of internet sites that I have a Nagoya produced rifle (without a subcontractor) 5th series based on the cartouche markings. The butt stock, I believe, is original to the rifle but the trigger guard, upper tang, both barrel bands and nose cap wasn't, neither was the rear sight, I'm still missing a front sight assembly. Best I can figure the rear sight that I acquired from a very nice gentleman in N.Carolina, is the correct type, anti-aircraft with side wings removed, the barrel bands that I acquired from Numrich are somewhat suspect . . . front band probably, judging from condition, original,(it's a two piece affair with 4 screws), the rear band, although supposed to be for a monopod, which is probably correct for this rifle, is probably a replica. I really hope to eventually find sufficient parts to "restore" this rifle to a reasonably accurate representation of the martial arm . . . although I would like to experience shooting it, I'm more interested in adding it to my WWII small arms collection. I apologize for such a long post . . . I am a neophyte, but am having a fine time at collecting and sharing info with those much more knowledgeable than me . . . so again thanks to all and to those who have offered personal help, I'll do my best to contact in the next few days.
  • captkirk3@dslextreme.comcaptkirk3@dslextreme.com Member Posts: 3,804
    edited November -1
    MILITARY HISTORICAL ARMS AND ANTIQUES in Glendale, California...Paul and Virginia Milbury
    email address....<militaria@earthlink.net> If he's still around...He had at least half a dozen Arisaka's in His Shop...
  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    Ask about your parts needs over on the Gunboards Japanese trader forum. Arisaka restoration is common in that collecting field. And many collectors have extra parts that they are happy to sell to help finance their hobby.
  • JackiePapersJackiePapers Member Posts: 544 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a type 38 that I am putting back into somewhat original condition. I found this outfit helpful, if you dont already know about them: http://members.tripod.com/~Berk1/arisaka.html

    This one is pretty good too... http://www.oldrifles.com/japanese.htm

    As is this one: http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html

    Good luck and have fun!
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