2nd strike capability on semi-auto pistols

.22 L.R

Does anyone know what brand and models of centerfire semi-auto pistols have the capability for 2nd strike on a dud round. I was primarily interested in S&W, Glock, Springfield but would be interested in any brand that has this feature.[?]

catpealer111

Anything that has an external hammer that allows you to manually cock it.

William81

Any S&W double action, HK Double action etc.

glock__26

Also, any DAO (double action only) pistol. Like Taurus, Kel-Tec, etc.

midnightrunpaintballer

i dunno about all springfields, but my xd does NOT have second strike capability. keep in mind that if a round fails to fire the first time, it usually fails the second and third time as well... time for the old tap-rack-bang

beantownshootah

The Walther P99 and Smith copy p99 both let you get another hit on the round by simply pulling the trigger. There is no external hammer, but mechanically these have a traditional double-action.

The CZ-75 series (including clones like the EAA witness and the Israeli Jericho) have external hammers and true double actions that will give you a "second strike" if you need one.

I'm pretty sure the Beretta 92 (and Taurus copy) also let you do this.

quote:catpealer111 Posted - 03/09/2008 : 9:40:43 PM Anything that has an external hammer that allows you to manually cock it.
That isn't true.

Many true single-action guns (eg all 1911-style autos) have external hammers, but you can't cycle the trigger to get a "second strike", just by pulling the trigger again. Instead you have to manually cock the hammer.

EDIT: So to be clear here, the term "second strike" refers to the ability to hit the primer again simply with another trigger pull. Cocking the hammer will give you another hit, but its not considered a "second strike". I think even with the internal semi-cocked guns like the Glock you can partially retract the slide to cock the pistol again WITHOUT ejecting the round to get a second primer hit.

Any *true* double-action pistol where pulling the trigger physically cocks and cycles the hammer will do this.

And the ULTIMATE "second strike" is a double action revolver. . .pulling the trigger again gives you another strike, on a NEW ROUND!

Wolf.

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Why is this under discussion. "Second strike", cocked hammers vs. DA trigger pull, etc.

In my opinion, this term, "second strike" is one of those buzz words hatched up by manufacturers, salesmen and other marketeers, along with whiz-kid corporate do-nothings in order to make themselves and their products appear more appealing: "Well, OUR new ABCdefender.45 with the XYZemteric stabilizer has the most efficient second-strike capability of any tactical weapons platform employing repeat dropping systems!" ("We'll just pull this new term out of thin air and non-chalantly drop it in conversation and printed matter, and boy(!), we'll look and sound smarter than people who are light years ahead of us knowledge and experience-wise. Then they'll have to scramble to figure out what we're talking about.")

Saying something differently doesn't make for new concepts. You've either got a dud round or something's amiss with the firing pin assembly, so it's time to drop the hammer on it again to see if we can make it fire. How hard was that? Geez, arguably, my Colt SAA has the same capability. And, so's my reproduction Colt Model 1851 Navy.

dcs shooters

S&W,HK,Sig,Walther. Remember most times if factory ammo doesn't go bang the first time, it won't with a second hit.

haroldchrismeyer

quote: S&W,HK,Sig,Walther. Remember most times if factory ammo doesn't go bang the first time, it won't with a second hit.

Not true on the won't with a second hit. I shoot a lot in USPSA, and have had several times the second strike worked on factory ammo.

Mobuck

Depending on where you get trained or whatever you want to call it, that second strike could be considered a waste of critical time. Many feel that if the round FTF you should get it out of the gun and get another in it's place. My only experience with this occurred when one of the guys emptied the chamber on my piece and then watched to see my reaction. Multiple strikes will not fire an empty chamber but a tap and rack will fix the problem. I still don't fully trust a pistol w/o a hammer on the outside.

tsr1965

Any conventional Double Action to Single Action, semi automatic will work. this meaning that you squeeze the first round double action, and when the firing process is completed, it cycles the slide, and recocks the hammer, and trigger in single action. It also allows for subsequent strikes on a unfired round by pulling the trigger again in double action. You need a gun with an external hammer, like a ruger P series, S&W 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation auto, or some HK's, and Sig's. A striker fired pistol, to my knowledge will not reset by pulling the trigger.