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I want a Full auto where to start?

9mmTriggerHappiness9mmTriggerHappiness Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
edited March 2008 in Ask the Experts
I am new to the Sport rifle world, I would like to know where to start to be able to own a "Full auto" rifle, or SBR. I have never been convicted of anything, Im 27 and live in Texas. Please help!
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  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    start by finding a class 3 dealer in your area (pref) or anywhere in the state (law). Find what you want to buy, take a 2nd mortgage on the house, and buy it. Like a regular GB auction, go to class 3 dealer (not all FFLs are able to do NFA items) and he/she will help you fill out the paper work - which includes finger print, fbi background check, sign-off by county sherrif - aka CLEO or chief law enforcement officer of the county you live in, etc. Send all that along with a check off to the BATFE and wait a while. After a bit, your tax stamp and papers will arrive, and you go back to the dealer and pick up the new toy. Then take a 3rd mortgage for ammo :) This can take a while.

    Creating an LLC for the purpose of owning NFA items is a good idea as well, since it can bypass some things (like CLEO signoff) and allow easier inheritance, as well as let multiple people be the one Responsible for the weapon.

    Don't forget that once you have NFA items things change a little with travel (paper notification if you are taking it across state lines, etc) that "regular" guns don't have to deal with. Also, some/many ranges don't allow (or strongly discourage) full auto fire, so finding a good place to shoot may be a problem. But then, that will save you ammo costs...

    EDIT - SBR is different than Full auto but process is the same, only you can build the actual gun from a "regular" receiver, just need to file slightly different paperwork (application to create, etc)
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  • 9mmTriggerHappiness9mmTriggerHappiness Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the info, like i said I'm a NOOB. What is the diff in a class II or class III weapon? Also can it be ANY OFFICER in your COUNTY?
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  • MooseyardMooseyard Member Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The different classes refer to the type of FFL the dealer has. Someone who sells NFA items (SBR, Machine guns etc.) has a class III license. A class II license is actually a manufacturer, and they can make NFA Items. They can also do all the paperwork that you need, and they can sell NFA items. You will be able to find several class 2 or 3 dealers in your area down in Texas. And no, it has to be the chief law enforcement officer in your area. If you live in city limits you could get either your chief of police or your sheriff. If you live outside city limits you will need to get your sheriff to sign the paperwork.
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  • 9mmTriggerHappiness9mmTriggerHappiness Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    well there in is the problem the Sheriff in my area HATES ME. Not my fault, my pops handed this dude an * whooping that has taken 27 years+ for get. Can he Deny me because of a vendetta with my dad?
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  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    Then form an LLC ... no sign off required then (although maybe a notification that you are getting something). Of course, you may want to look at the requirements for storage, on-demand access by the alphabet guys, etc.
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  • duckhunterduckhunter Member Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes.
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  • 9mmTriggerHappiness9mmTriggerHappiness Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a site I can go to thats kinda like a walk through? Is it possible to get all the required licenses with owning the firearm first? Yes the ABC boy are also a question I have.
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  • givettegivette Member Posts: 10,886 ✭
    edited November -1
    No. There is no license to own a full-auto. What you will be going through is the registration process for the firearm. You are required to go through this same process for every NFA firearm you purchase. Link below is a long read, but will put you "in the drivers seat" as far as purchase. And it will show you how to by-pass law enforcement signoff/fingerprinting. Best, Joe

    Here's a brief rundown:
    1. Establish Revocable Trust (easier than it sounds). Will avoid LEO.
    2. Find class III dealer to do transfer, pay for gun, and have it shipped to in-state dealer.
    3. Fill out paperwork w/$200 tax fee and gun's serNo.
    4. Wait. May take up to four months.

    Sequencing and waiting time corrected. My thanks to Mooseyard. Joe

    Sidenote: You may see something you like local (in state). If your dealer doesn't charge sales tax on out-of-state purchases, then go that route. Will save you up to $500 (or more) in sales tax if you buy out-of-state. That's your call.

    Here's the link. Best, Joe

    http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=17&t=199942
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  • MooseyardMooseyard Member Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Givette, I think you missed a transfer in there if it's coming from out of state. First it must be transfered to the in state dealer, only then can you start the form 4. The last form 4 trust transfer I did took 4 months. A few weeks is unlikely for a form 4.
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  • MikeinMikein Member Posts: 106 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 9mmTriggerHappiness
    I am new to the Sport rifle world, I would like to know where to start to be able to own a "Full auto" rifle, or SBR. I have never been convicted of anything, Im 27 and live in Texas. Please help!


    9MM,

    Before you go through all the (good, solid, sensible)recommendations offered to you in this forum, you may want to consider catching an airplane out to Las Vegas and visit these folks: http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/rental.htm

    They have lots of full auto toys; you can go in, and shoot any or all of them until you are shell shocked, powder burned and dead broke from feeding them. Then come on back to Texas, and the next time you get the itch to go full auto, fly back out to LV and recycle yourself through The Gun Store! You get all the benefits and few of the liabilities. As an experienced full auto freak, I can tell you that the thrill wears off once the reality of feeding those babies sets in and you find out you can only afford to feed 'em once a year or so!

    Now, if you're independently wealthy, and money is no object, you live in a different world than I do, so your outlook may be different.

    Good luck!

    Mike
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