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Shipping ammo resouces
quatama
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I decided to start this thread because of misinformation and disinformation propagated by carriers and well meaning forum writers
For example;
I contacted UPS hub in Tualatin, Oregon (800 742-5877) today and asked about shipping ammo. My call was escalated (immediately) to the supervisor. She made claims that I needed a DOT hazmat identifier and a common carrier license.
I doubt event she knew what she was talking about (my opinion).
Below is a list of US government websites
Anything to do with transporting hazardous material (federal). http://hazmat.dot.gov/
Transporting ammunition on an aircraft (federal) . http://ash.faa.gov/docs/HAZMATByPassenger.pdf
Transporting firearms on an aircraft (federal) . http://ash.faa.gov/these.asp
Transportation security arm of Homeland Security . http://www.tsa.gov/public/
DOT Identification number for ammo . http://hazmat.dot.gov/pubs/erg/2001.htm
DOT how to deal with ammo fires . http://hazmat.dot.gov/pubs/erg2/en/2000/g151.pdf
USPS "ammo isn't mailable" . http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1103548
(paragraph 8.5 and 8.6 covers ammo)
UPS Hazmat toll free number . 1-800-554-9964
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/hazardous/examples/ground_ormd.html
UPS says the box must have written on the outside "consumer commodity", "cartridges, small arms" and the ORM-D plaque (it's not necessary to have consumer commodity on the label pursuant to 49CFR 173.63 )
(Fedex web link of an ORM-D plaque "cartridges, small arms" http://www.fedex.com/images/us/services/options/ground/hazmat/ORM-D_Boxes.jpg)
Fedex uses the same standards as UPS
Fexex hazardous shipping number is 1.800.GoFedEx (1.800.463.3339) and press 81.
http://www.fedex.com/us/services/options/ground/hazmat/marking.html
For example;
I contacted UPS hub in Tualatin, Oregon (800 742-5877) today and asked about shipping ammo. My call was escalated (immediately) to the supervisor. She made claims that I needed a DOT hazmat identifier and a common carrier license.
I doubt event she knew what she was talking about (my opinion).
Below is a list of US government websites
Anything to do with transporting hazardous material (federal). http://hazmat.dot.gov/
Transporting ammunition on an aircraft (federal) . http://ash.faa.gov/docs/HAZMATByPassenger.pdf
Transporting firearms on an aircraft (federal) . http://ash.faa.gov/these.asp
Transportation security arm of Homeland Security . http://www.tsa.gov/public/
DOT Identification number for ammo . http://hazmat.dot.gov/pubs/erg/2001.htm
DOT how to deal with ammo fires . http://hazmat.dot.gov/pubs/erg2/en/2000/g151.pdf
USPS "ammo isn't mailable" . http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1103548
(paragraph 8.5 and 8.6 covers ammo)
UPS Hazmat toll free number . 1-800-554-9964
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/hazardous/examples/ground_ormd.html
UPS says the box must have written on the outside "consumer commodity", "cartridges, small arms" and the ORM-D plaque (it's not necessary to have consumer commodity on the label pursuant to 49CFR 173.63 )
(Fedex web link of an ORM-D plaque "cartridges, small arms" http://www.fedex.com/images/us/services/options/ground/hazmat/ORM-D_Boxes.jpg)
Fedex uses the same standards as UPS
Fexex hazardous shipping number is 1.800.GoFedEx (1.800.463.3339) and press 81.
http://www.fedex.com/us/services/options/ground/hazmat/marking.html
Comments
I'm not sure to what "misinformation and disinformation propagated by . . . well meaning forum writers" you refer, but both EOD Guy and I have posted the correct information on innumberable threads. This topic has been raised so often over the past 5.8 years, I even built a C&P answer for the reply post. If you do a search and find where we are in error, please let us know.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
My sole purpose was trying to get the message out about shipping ammo and enlighten or educate those who need this kind of information.
Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 173
173.63 Packaging exceptions
(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:
(i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol, or shotgun;
(ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;
(iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;
(iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and
(v) Cartridges power devices which are use to project fastening devices.
(2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:
(i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;
(ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;
(iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;
(iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 Kg (66 pounds) per package; and
(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.
Part 172 (Marking)
172.316 Packagings containing material classed as ORM-D
(a) Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material (Cartridges, Small Arms). The ORM designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3 mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side than the designation.
(b) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering the packaging for transportation that the material is properly described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable regulations of this subchapter.
Dean
If they don't trust us with guns, how can we trust them with the government?
I've always found that the best way to ship ammo is to not say anything, and just hand it over to the guy behind the counter.
Dean
If they don't trust us with guns, how can we trust them with the government?
exactly. "anything parishable, breakable, flammable, etc etc." "nope" "ok then, we have priority for $$ or express for $$" "ahh ill just do the priority" "do you need insurance" "nope, here you go, thank you have a nice day"
PS; not that ive had that conversation before[:D][:D]
"Not many like us, in fact very few, and most of them are dead" LtCol Pratt - USMC
I've always found that the best way to ship ammo is to not say anything, and just hand it over to the guy behind the counter.
Dean
If they don't trust us with guns, how can we trust them with the government?
If you do that, you are shipping what DOT calls an undeclared hazmat shipment. The minimum civil fine for that is $15,000 and that doesn't include any criminal penalties. DOT takes such violations very seriously. Accidents involving undeclared shipments have resulted in loss of life and in jail time for those responsible for the shipment.
I've talked with a lot of DOT inspectors and they consider offering an undeclared shipment one of the most serious violations of DOT regulations and one in which prosecution would be recommended every time.
I won't say I've never *received* any such packages, but I'm here to tell you I would never *think* of shipping any that way!!!!!! UPS / FedEx can be royal PITAs who overcharge, but that cost is not even a blip on the long range scanners compared to a Federal felony / fine and a possible introduction to Bubba in Cell Block A. If I'm going to break the law, it sure as heck won't be to save $5 on shipping.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
Yes you're right.[V]
Dean
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast
Dean / MN, take a look at the penalties for shipping live ammo via USPS if you should be caught . . . .
I won't say I've never *received* any such packages, but I'm here to tell you I would never *think* of shipping any that way!!!!!! UPS / FedEx can be royal PITAs who overcharge, but that cost is not even a blip on the long range scanners compared to a Federal felony / fine and a possible introduction to Bubba in Cell Block A. If I'm going to break the law, it sure as heck won't be to save $5 on shipping.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
If they don't trust us with guns, how can we trust them with the government?
Chris8161
Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof!
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